[Mr.Spireite]

death, on Jul 10 2007, 04:42 PM, said:

the FA cup semi proved nothing. it was a one off, once in a lifetime game.

how many regular fans can a town of chesterfields size support?

ok, so a stadium filled with away fans is going to what for the home team? and if its likely to be for one,maybe two seasons, then back down to the championship, what of the super sized ground then?

as the facilities are either going to go to a new owner who specialises in this field,or contracted out, i would suggest a little research has probably been done

WHatt attendences did Barnsley get in the Premiership, are they not a comparable side to us historically?

[malcolmr13]

death, on Jul 10 2007, 03:42 PM, said:

the FA cup semi proved nothing. it was a one off, once in a lifetime game.

how many regular fans can a town of chesterfields size support?

ok, so a stadium filled with away fans is going to what for the home team? and if its likely to be for one,maybe two seasons, then back down to the championship, what of the super sized ground then?

as the facilities are either going to go to a new owner who specialises in this field,or contracted out, i would suggest a little research has probably been done

I agree with you! I excepted the case where, if we reached the premiership we would need a new ground. Realistically the Dema scale of 10,000 to 14,000 with stretch is about right.
I also agree that we should not be chasing to fit in the last few fans of "bigger" Championship clubs. Lets have a few sold out signs at the visitors end. Better still have them at the home part too.

[mr. smith]

malcolmr13, on Jul 10 2007, 06:20 PM, said:

I agree with you! I excepted the case where, if we reached the premiership we would need a new ground. Realistically the Dema scale of 10,000 to 14,000 with stretch is about right.
I also agree that we should not be chasing to fit in the last few fans of "bigger" Championship clubs. Lets have a few sold out signs at the visitors end. Better still have them at the home part too.

most people seem to be doubting our chances of promotion from bottom division nxt season & you three are arguing about our attendances in the premiership; now theres optimism.

[Mr.Spireite]

mr. smith, on Jul 10 2007, 08:09 PM, said:

most people seem to be doubting our chances of promotion from bottom division nxt season & you three are arguing about our attendances in the premiership; now theres optimism.

Saltergate has lasted is 100 years...

A lot can happen in that time, will the new ground last as long ?

[mr. smith]

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 10 2007, 08:22 PM, said:

Saltergate has lasted is 100 years...

A lot can happen in that time, will the new ground last as long ?

may be a long time before we get in it...

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 10 2007, 05:33 PM, said:

WHatt attendences did Barnsley get in the Premiership, are they not a comparable side to us historically?

for how long did they last in the top flight?? it would be daft to build summat of the capacity you envisage.

also, a look at the footprint of oakwell and the size of the old `mainstand` and then compare that to saltergate.......

comparable? i think not.

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 10 2007, 08:22 PM, said:

Saltergate has lasted is 100 years...

A lot can happen in that time, will the new ground last as long ?

just to be pedantic.

the current edifice was built in 1936. its 71 years old, and boy does it show.

[Mr.Spireite]

death, on Jul 10 2007, 08:45 PM, said:

for how long did they last in the top flight?? it would be daft to build summat of the capacity you envisage.

also, a look at the footprint of oakwell and the size of the old `mainstand` and then compare that to saltergate.......

comparable? i think not.
just to be pedantic.

the current edifice was built in 1936. its 71 years old, and boy does it show.

Barnsley have upgraded their ground as and when necessary. We have not even kept ours up to standard losing out in millions from the football trust in redevlopment funds of up to 95% of costs.....

71 years is still a long time, where will our club be in 71 years, where will a lot of the top flight clubs of now be, who knows but remember, Blackpool where a top side 50 years ago.... So where Preston, so was many others, tides change and if you can't be prepared to go with them you'll end up being stranded.....

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 10 2007, 10:11 PM, said:

Barnsley have upgraded their ground as and when necessary. We have not even kept ours up to standard losing out in millions from the football trust in redevlopment funds of up to 95% of costs.....

71 years is still a long time, where will our club be in 71 years, where will a lot of the top flight clubs of now be, who knows but remember, Blackpool where a top side 50 years ago.... So where Preston, so was many others, tides change and if you can't be prepared to go with them you'll end up being stranded.....

Basically it comes down to population.

were a small town surrounded by a few other very small towns.

we are NEVER going to get much more than 15000 |regular fans.

granted, 10,000 isnt exactly showing ambition, but do we as a club need much more? and more importantly, can we afford to build much more?

many of the clubs you mention were top flight clubs, but in the days of the wage cap. without the wage cap, clubs tend to find thier own level based on income and support, with one or two exceptions.

15000 would be more than adequate for our needs for the foreseeable future

[Mr.Spireite]

death, on Jul 11 2007, 04:50 AM, said:

Basically it comes down to population.

were a small town surrounded by a few other very small towns.

we are NEVER going to get much more than 15000 |regular fans.

granted, 10,000 isnt exactly showing ambition, but do we as a club need much more? and more importantly, can we afford to build much more?

many of the clubs you mention were top flight clubs, but in the days of the wage cap. without the wage cap, clubs tend to find thier own level based on income and support, with one or two exceptions.

15000 would be more than adequate for our needs for the foreseeable future

Sheffield a small city ?????

Agreed 15,000 would be a good start......but with no ability to increase, is that a good idea ?

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 11 2007, 10:42 AM, said:

Sheffield a small city ?????

Agreed 15,000 would be a good start......but with no ability to increase, is that a good idea ?

places like brim, boza, holmewood, claycross, grassmoor, ducky etc.

we are never goona get fans from sheffield travelling to town. you know what yorkshiremen are like. almost think yorkshire is an independant country. even eckington try to be dee dahs with the rediculous Oil (hole) accent.

our catchment area is a relatively lightly populated area of north derbyshire.


leave room to increase, but lets keep it within our needs

[Mr.Spireite]

death, on Jul 11 2007, 04:29 PM, said:

places like brim, boza, holmewood, claycross, grassmoor, ducky etc.

we are never goona get fans from sheffield travelling to town. you know what yorkshiremen are like. almost think yorkshire is an independant country. even eckington try to be dee dahs with the rediculous Oil (hole) accent.

our catchment area is a relatively lightly populated area of north derbyshire.
leave room to increase, but lets keep it within our needs

Lets say in 10 years time Sheff Wed & Utd are where we are and for a 10 years spell wea re the top side...

I am sure you would see a difference....

We don't know what the future holds, but limiting ourselves to div 3/ 4 football doesn't seem attractive to me.

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 11 2007, 05:02 PM, said:

Lets say in 10 years time Sheff Wed & Utd are where we are and for a 10 years spell wea re the top side...

I am sure you would see a difference....

a bit like the cox era then?

when we fought neck and neck with both the owls and blades, and at times was the top side?

`we` had gates around 7-800, while `they` had gates three or four times that..........

the difference is there......... gates now at 4000.

[Mr.Spireite]

death, on Jul 11 2007, 09:39 PM, said:

a bit like the cox era then?

when we fought neck and neck with both the owls and blades, and at times was the top side?

`we` had gates around 7-800, while `they` had gates three or four times that..........

the difference is there......... gates now at 4000.

If it was 3 points for a win that season we would have been big dogs and with a planned redevlopment of the Kop as well......to accomodate, giving it two tiers and also all the facilities we are currently planning and that was nearly 30 years ago....

Gates are low because we have struggled ever since those days.

[Frank Thacker]

Mr.Spireite, on Jul 12 2007, 11:17 AM, said:

If it was 3 points for a win that season we would have been big dogs and with a planned redevlopment of the Kop as well......to accomodate, giving it two tiers and also all the facilities we are currently planning and that was nearly 30 years ago....

Gates are low because we have struggled ever since those days.

They were interesting times. We were probably already up to our ears in debt by then and any planned redevelopment might well not have come to fruition for that reason. As I see it, the same 1983 financial crisis would still have happened, even with a promotion to Division Two in the early 80s.

[Mr.Spireite]

Still a promised redevelopment. Does anyone have pcis of this proposed development, remember there being pics in the DT way back...

Now where are we still waiting for a new ground or redevelopment 30 years later.....

Hears to another 30 years....

[Wooden Spoon]

Saltergate Stu, on Jul 12 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

They were interesting times. We were probably already up to our ears in debt by then and any planned redevelopment might well not have come to fruition for that reason. As I see it, the same 1983 financial crisis would still have happened, even with a promotion to Division Two in the early 80s.

If we had gone up back in the early 80`s, I wonder what sort of average gates we would have had, and if this could have offset the `crash` of 83. That lot were easily the best town side I have ever seen, and I think could have held there own in Div 2.

[Mr.Spireite]

death, on Mar 21 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

If we had gone up back in the early 80`s, I wonder what sort of average gates we would have had, and if this could have offset the `crash` of 83. That lot were easily the best town side I have ever seen, and I think could have held there own in Div 2.

Could we have gone up again ?????

[Webster]

Chief executive Rod Taylor believes Morecambe could receive planning permission "in a short space of time" for their new 6,800 seater stadium.

[Mr.Spireite]

Webster, on Apr 30 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

Chief executive Rod Taylor believes Morecambe could receive planning permission "in a short space of time" for their new 6,800 seater stadium.

Does it have the ability to expand though ?????

Looking at the plans, yes I would imagine it does and with the record of Non League sides in the FL you can understand their perhaps aprehension as they have to build a club. But lets look at the site plans, not a supermarket in site and also four training pitches brining in revenue when in use by the public.



The ground itself looks a little similar to what we are getting but perhaps a few more rows of seats in all stands adds up, not knowing the costs of their project it's hard to quantify who is getting the better deal here

This post has been edited by Mr.Spireite: 05 May 2008 - 06:14 PM

[Frank Thacker]

The main stand appears to run only from one penalty area to the other. I imagine that'd go down like a cup of cold sick here.