[metallilad]

Defo pen. And not influenced by the fact that I had Fernandez to score.

[JonB]

Mr Mercury, on 03 June 2023 - 02:48 PM, said:

Hand raised away from body, penalty all day long!

He’s jumping attempting to win a header, defy anyone to jump and not have their arms/hands there….if that’s a pen then we may as well give up and spend 90 mins kicking the ball at peoples hands. Rule is unnatural position, I think it is this week anyway, and that’s not an unnatural position for the action he is taking attempting to jump for the header.

Prior to that casimero could easily have seen red for a tackle but isn’t even booked and then it’s probably a pen for a foul on De Bruyne but not given.

[BlueRodneyFern]

Mr Mercury, on 03 June 2023 - 02:48 PM, said:

Hand raised away from body, penalty all day long!

But when anyone jumps in the air it's so natural to have uour arms in the air for balance as you cannot jump with your arms by your side it's impossible a very soft decision

[JonB]

metallilad, on 03 June 2023 - 02:56 PM, said:

Defo pen. And not influenced by the fact that I had Fernandez to score.

Even after he’s given it there is then probably a line to say it should be retaken for his run up. Been mentioned before yet they don’t seem to bother. There was a rule about hesitating in the run up not being allowed which you can argue his little riverdance jump is.

[Painted Wagon]

I hate City and what they have become, but it’s envy hate. We drew twice in 98/99 and beat them in 2006 league cup. They get an oil sheikh, we get a pigeon fancier.

[metallilad]

JonB, on 03 June 2023 - 02:59 PM, said:

Even after he’s given it there is then probably a line to say it should be retaken for his run up. Been mentioned before yet they don’t seem to bother. There was a rule about hesitating in the run up not being allowed which you can argue his little riverdance jump is.

TBH I couldn't give a toss. He scored, I had him to score = I'm happy. 😁

[warfey is a spireite]

Spireite only not watching it

[turrhall]

warfey is a spireite, on 03 June 2023 - 03:34 PM, said:

Spireite only not watching it

I live in Manchester and once met a City fan who refused to watch any United games, including the derby. Just reminded me of him

This post has been edited by turrhall: 03 June 2023 - 04:05 PM

[isleaiw1]

City for me, but then I am in the supporting anyone who plays United...

And love them to win the treble so united achievement is no longer unique....

[dart in the crossbar]

Civil behaviour from the Man U management at least. Unlike the fool Mourinho the other night.

[sophocles]

Mr Mercury, on 03 June 2023 - 02:48 PM, said:

Hand raised away from body, penalty all day long!

So players are now supposed to run, tackle, jump up in the air to challenge for the ball, with their arms clamped tightly to their sides are they? Utterly ridiculous nonsense.

[metallilad]

sophocles, on 03 June 2023 - 11:57 PM, said:

So players are now supposed to run, tackle, jump up in the air to challenge for the ball, with their arms clamped tightly to their sides are they? Utterly ridiculous nonsense.

Wether you like it or not. Thems are the rules. It's a tough decision but sh*t happens.

[DIFH]

Mr Mercury, on 03 June 2023 - 11:17 AM, said:

Red over Blue today my friend…

You’re letting your preference over rule a bit of common sense imo. It isn’t a pen for me because his body is in a down ward movement and twisting at the same time. There may be set rules in place but players in mid air cannot surely be deemed to be in control of their limb movements when momentum is taking them in a certain direction. The ball is dropping from above the players and the city lad doesn’t move his arm towards the ball - it could and was really ball to arm.

VAR is microscopically examining stuff in slow motion and not giving consideration for momentum. What was obvious about the hand ball ?

[whittman]

spireitetoo, on 03 June 2023 - 02:39 PM, said:

Never ever a pen, and barnsley got refused a stonewall pen last week, var is so inconsistent

Its not VAR that is the problem it is still down to human interpretation of how it is used that is the problem

It needs ex players in with the referees to give their side of the incidents because I reckon most refs have not really played the game to any level and do not really understand what actually happens in a game

just saying

[BlueRodneyFern]

whittman, on 04 June 2023 - 06:55 AM, said:

Its not VAR that is the problem it is still down to human interpretation of how it is used that is the problem

It needs ex players in with the referees to give their side of the incidents because I reckon most refs have not really played the game to any level and do not really understand what actually happens in a game

just saying

I agree totally VAR is good it's the idiots who run it as it worked OK in the world cup

[Mr Mercury]

metallilad, on 04 June 2023 - 12:13 AM, said:

Wether you like it or not. Thems are the rules. It's a tough decision but sh*t happens.

Exactly

[Comeonyouirons]

City 2/3rds of way to a treble only ever achieved by their closest rivals ( in 1999)
The same week as Kevin Horlock , Paul Dicko and some even worse players were wrestling a getaway from the third tier of English football

Today ( and hopefully Istanbul ) will be for those fans who didn’t walk away when the mighty Gillingham took a 2-0 lead

Pep Guardiola Roberto Mancini and that big Peruvian geezer we had all owe Guy Butters a Pint of Spitfire or whatever else they sup in Kent

This post has been edited by Comeonyouirons: 04 June 2023 - 08:51 AM

[Valley Blues]

metallilad, on 04 June 2023 - 12:13 AM, said:

Wether you like it or not. Thems are the rules. It's a tough decision but sh*t happens.

Are the rules being interpreted completely correctly though?

I thought the offence of handball was committed if the ball touches a players hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger.
However, a player is only considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation.

Jack Grealish’s hand was quite clearly where it was because of his body movement and couldn’t have been anywhere else really.

[sophocles]

metallilad, on 04 June 2023 - 12:13 AM, said:

Wether you like it or not. Thems are the rules. It's a tough decision but sh*t happens.

I know those are the rules, so the stupid rules need binning, along with the utter nonsense called VAR. Those who thought VAR was a good idea were under the impression that it would clear up every incident conclusively, when, in fact, it just introduces further confusion, and also totally ruins the spontaneity of the game. Get rid of it now, keep the game flowing, and accept there will be dodgy refereeing decisions either way. If it delays the game, destroys the excitement, and still results in wrong decisions, it might as well be scrapped.

[JonB]

Part of the problem is that they seem to be trying to make rules/laws work with VAR hence the ridiculous handball law currently and decisions like yesterday. What they should be doing is making VAR work with the laws that worked.