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#1 User is offline   calvin plummers socks 

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 07:22 PM

Simple- Gareth's Southgate.
He's intelligent and 'new school'.

Brilliant article last week about his pre tournament preparation.

After season- a whole week off.
No long runs
Sharpening seasons
Fun sessions
No boot camp!!

Compare this to last World Cup.
I was so bewildered by the approaches of the previous regimes.
3 days rest followed by 7 day fitness boot camp approach (these NEVER work btw).
My only concern about Martin Allen is his famous boot camp approach - whether true or not we will have to see but let's hope it's all a myth!

Last thing a player at the end of the season needs is more fitness work.
1 session of Hodgson was a 10 mile run every 2 days (and we wonder why we failed).
(Similar early approach at Palace when he joined (injuries everywhere) until he was forced to change the approach.

St. George's investment is starting to pay off.
Top sports science involvement.

The German set up was famously lauded (and ours derided at last World Cup as we had a backroom staff allegedly of 77 and the Germans - who won 11).
Germany has changed their approach and set up since the last World Cup bizzarely (if it's not broken don't fix it)! Witness the injury yesterday - blood injury- no blood shirt, no gloves on physio, no proper assessment etc.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 07:35 PM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

Simple- Gareth's Southgate.
He's intelligent and 'new school'.

Brilliant article last week about his pre tournament preparation.

After season- a whole week off.
No long runs
Sharpening seasons
Fun sessions
No boot camp!!

Compare this to last World Cup.
I was so bewildered by the approaches of the previous regimes.
3 days rest followed by 7 day fitness boot camp approach (these NEVER work btw).
My only concern about Martin Allen is his famous boot camp approach - whether true or not we will have to see but let's hope it's all a myth!

Last thing a player at the end of the season needs is more fitness work.
1 session of Hodgson was a 10 mile run every 2 days (and we wonder why we failed).
(Similar early approach at Palace when he joined (injuries everywhere) until he was forced to change the approach.

St. George's investment is starting to pay off.
Top sports science involvement.

The German set up was famously lauded (and ours derided at last World Cup as we had a backroom staff allegedly of 77 and the Germans - who won 11).
Germany has changed their approach and set up since the last World Cup bizzarely (if it's not broken don't fix it)! Witness the injury yesterday - blood injury- no blood shirt, no gloves on physio, no proper assessment etc.

Probably best wait and see us against Belgium and possibly Colombia before passing provisional judgement
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 07:48 PM

[quote name='azul' timestamp='1529868923' post='1399596']
Probably best wait and see us against Belgium and possibly Colombia before passing provisional judgement
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Correct! Well said Azul.

At last someone thats not been taken in yet again by the media / BS spoken by the so called pundits on tv ...silly lad eh SocksMan

Beating “The DogEnDuck” is one thing but at least wait until you play one of the big boys like you did in the Euros “Iceland”. Lol <_<
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 07:52 PM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

Simple- Gareth's Southgate.
He's intelligent and 'new school'.

Brilliant article last week about his pre tournament preparation.

After season- a whole week off.
No long runs
Sharpening seasons
Fun sessions
No boot camp!!

Compare this to last World Cup.
I was so bewildered by the approaches of the previous regimes.
3 days rest followed by 7 day fitness boot camp approach (these NEVER work btw).
My only concern about Martin Allen is his famous boot camp approach - whether true or not we will have to see but let's hope it's all a myth!

Last thing a player at the end of the season needs is more fitness work.
1 session of Hodgson was a 10 mile run every 2 days (and we wonder why we failed).
(Similar early approach at Palace when he joined (injuries everywhere) until he was forced to change the approach.

St. George's investment is starting to pay off.
Top sports science involvement.

The German set up was famously lauded (and ours derided at last World Cup as we had a backroom staff allegedly of 77 and the Germans - who won 11).
Germany has changed their approach and set up since the last World Cup bizzarely (if it's not broken don't fix it)! Witness the injury yesterday - blood injury- no blood shirt, no gloves on physio, no proper assessment etc.


You've previously praised the quality of the fitness coaches hired at CFC post Shinner but blamed our extensive injury lists on anything but.

MA wants to work with a smaller squad than we have been accustomed to and, like you, I wait to see how successful this is both on the pitch and on the injury front.

Now, I do wonder, if MA's methods work and we suffer less injury issues, where does this leave the more scientific approach?
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 07:59 PM

Kane taking corners says enough about Woy's weign, sorry reign
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:04 PM

View Postdtp, on 24 June 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

You've previously praised the quality of the fitness coaches hired at CFC post Shinner but blamed our extensive injury lists on anything but.

MA wants to work with a smaller squad than we have been accustomed to and, like you, I wait to see how successful this is both on the pitch and on the injury front.

Now, I do wonder, if MA's methods work and we suffer less injury issues, where does this leave the more scientific approach?


Our training pitch will be the same standard as The Proact- will that help?
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:18 PM

View PostFORZA AZZURRI, on 24 June 2018 - 07:48 PM, said:

Correct! Well said Azul.)

At last someone thats not been taken in yet again by the media / BS spoken by the so called pundits on tv ...silly lad eh SocksMan

Beating “The DogEnDuck” is one thing but at least wait until you play one of the big boys like you did in the Euros “Iceland”. Lol <_<

We are going down a familiar path, over optimism and almost adulation followed by vitriolic abuse when it goes wrong.

Personally I felt we had chance from the word off. Nothing has changed my opinion for better or worse. If we have luck in a couple of games we could go far, if not we could be out pronto. This is anyone’s to win
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:20 PM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

Simple- Gareth's Southgate.
He's intelligent and 'new school'.

Brilliant article last week about his pre tournament preparation.

After season- a whole week off.
No long runs
Sharpening seasons
Fun sessions
No boot camp!!

Compare this to last World Cup.
I was so bewildered by the approaches of the previous regimes.
3 days rest followed by 7 day fitness boot camp approach (these NEVER work btw).
My only concern about Martin Allen is his famous boot camp approach - whether true or not we will have to see but let's hope it's all a myth!

Last thing a player at the end of the season needs is more fitness work.
1 session of Hodgson was a 10 mile run every 2 days (and we wonder why we failed).
(Similar early approach at Palace when he joined (injuries everywhere) until he was forced to change the approach.

St. George's investment is starting to pay off.
Top sports science involvement.

The German set up was famously lauded (and ours derided at last World Cup as we had a backroom staff allegedly of 77 and the Germans - who won 11).
Germany has changed their approach and set up since the last World Cup bizzarely (if it's not broken don't fix it)! Witness the injury yesterday - blood injury- no blood shirt, no gloves on physio, no proper assessment etc.


I'm not quite sure Martin Allen and Gareth Southgate should be in the same post.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:29 PM

View Postazul, on 24 June 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

We are going down a familiar path, over optimism and almost adulation followed by vitriolic abuse when it goes wrong.

Personally I felt we had chance from the word off. Nothing has changed my opinion for better or worse. If we have luck in a couple of games we could go far, if not we could be out pronto. This is anyone’s to win

Most consistently good team so far imo is Croatia. 4 good halves. I still stay with Argentina to win it though.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:33 PM

View PostDerbySpireite54, on 24 June 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

Most consistently good team so far imo is Croatia. 4 good halves. I still stay with Argentina to win it though.

Not a chance. Argentina are awful.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:34 PM

View Postazul, on 24 June 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

Probably best wait and see us against Belgium and possibly Colombia before passing provisional judgement


Colombia won't win it, but they get my vote for sexiest team in it. I enjoyed their performance more than ours tbh. Ours was good if you take away our defensive display, that really worries me tbh and top teams will pick away at that with ease imho.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:41 PM

Walker in particular worries me, especially in a back 3
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:51 PM

View PostSpire-Power, on 24 June 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Walker in particular worries me, especially in a back 3


Something not right at the back that's for sure. Maguire doesn't exactly fill me with confidence and as you say Walker. I'm looking forward to the challenge of the knockouts to see if we shape this part of our game up as the next game probably won't be the test we really need (though I hope it is tbf) and if there was something 'really' at stake it would have been a terrific test, so it slightly disappoints on that score, though I'd be worried that we'd be going home early again if we really needed something.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:09 PM

Walker is in back 3 because of pace. Cahill too slow. Against top players running at them or him tracking back he is the best option.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:32 PM

I know he is quick. I just think he makes too many mistakes
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:39 PM

View PostSpire-Power, on 24 June 2018 - 09:32 PM, said:

I know he is quick. I just think he makes too many mistakes


There's a lot of mistakes in our defence. Panama could and should have had four and that in itself is very worrying.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:41 PM

View PostSpire-Power, on 24 June 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Walker in particular worries me, especially in a back 3


Stop worrying about stuff and enjoy the modern brand of football we are finally witnessing from an England team. Imagine Big Sam still being in charge, we’d have Andy Caroll up top and banging it down the channels and struggling to knock over teams like Panama.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:47 PM

Thought the first half against Tunisia (finishing aside) was far more encouraging than today's performance - though to echo the response before mine, it's great to see an England team genuinely (finally) trying to play properly. We're going to look shaky at the back because we're taking risks - but after 2014, 2010, and 2006 - it's nice to see. Who knows where it will take us at this tournament. I suspect we'll come unstuck sooner rather than later, but if we go out early giving it a go it will be an improvement.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:30 PM

View PostStoptalkingbol, on 24 June 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

Stop worrying about stuff and enjoy the modern brand of football we are finally witnessing from an England team. Imagine Big Sam still being in charge, we’d have Andy Caroll up top and banging it down the channels and struggling to knock over teams like Panama.

Belgium should provide a good test
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:37 PM

View PostSpire-Power, on 24 June 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

Belgium should provide a good test


I’ve no doubt, they have quality all over, but at least so do we now.
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