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 Wooden Spoon, on 15 June 2024 - 08:36 PM, said:

You're better than such victimhood, Rob.

You, like those named (not to mention a certain Jezza Corbs, of course) offered legitimate and measurable reasons to leave. Ones not revolving around perverted patriotism or a race to the bottom in terms of workers', consumer or environmental protections.

Folk still championing those that did, or saying Johnson's 'oven ready deal' isn't the economy hammering failure it's turned out (yeah, who cudda predicted a pathological liar and buffoon would deliver that. Oh, wait...), must explain why for themselves.

Or not, perhaps.

But my current point is about the 'Reform' manifesto. I repeat: how many of those saying they'll vote for that way are across their health policy? Their plans to introduce private insurance for everyone? The impact of their environmental policy? Allowing those making billions from fossil fuels - or flushing raw sewage into our waters - greater freedoms to do so? Their impact on schools or public services or workers rights...or...or...

Or is it all about immigration. Countless voters who've never met or been effected by an asylum seeker convinced by Farage's racist rhetoric.

This thread offers a golden opportunity to discuss that question...

 dim view, on 16 June 2024 - 07:46 AM, said:

Mate - seriously?

A completely discredited Carlson offering an evil dictator airtime?

Freedom of speech and seeing all sides is one thing, but what could Putin possibly say to in any way mitigate his murder....?

 Wooden Spoon, on 15 June 2024 - 10:28 AM, said:

There'll be full scale civil war in the Tory party this summer.

We've already seen a number of the more obnoxious characters positioning themselves - with Andrea Jenkins even issuing election leaflets pictured with Farage.

Just take a minute for that to sink in. Whilst vast swathes of conservative candidates mention neither their party nor leader in literature, she openly allies herself to one of another.

Imagine the Mail-esque media headlines were that a Labour figure alongside, say, an outspoken pro Palestinian.

Oh, wait...

As you quite accurately state though, it's most likely the Right will emerge victorious. A party run by Farage, Rees-Mogg, Braverman and their ugly ilk.

Leaving Labour by far the most moderate, mainstream option in British politics.

Thatcher once said her proudest legacy was Tony Blair. Thanks to the corruption he legitimised and individuals elected in his wake, it's very possible Boris the Liar's will be the death of the Tories...

 dim view, on 15 June 2024 - 09:30 AM, said:

The last thing Farage wants is actual power.

To be held accountable for his promises.

And anyone doubting that only has to remember how he 'fled the scene of the crime' the morning after the Brexit vote...

 Valley Blues, on 14 June 2024 - 10:17 PM, said:

Fair enough call.

And I'd add dismissing Farage and his followers as "clowns" is dismissing the genuine threat they pose.

Like his earlier vanity vehicles 'Reform' is a single issue party - immigration.

Now okay, many people are motivated by that; but I wonder how many really appreciate what their health policies would mean? A return to treatment depending on what folk can afford? I wonder how many appreciate what their tax policies would mean? Making the 'Kwar crash' budget look Stalinist by comparison? I wonder how many appreciate what their environmental policies would mean? A virtual free for all for the fossil fuel industry?

Same applies to education, public services and pretty much every other aspect of their manifesto.

Farage is an experienced campaigner. We've been witnessing his 'avoid-questions-by-discrediting-the-questioner' routine for years. His endless 'infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy' conspiracy theorising. His attempts to normalise bigotry by claiming it's merely 'what the man in the pub is saying'.

However an individual with well documented links to dangerously right wing organisations and bleats about left wing violence whilst waving away the attempted Jan sixth terrorist coup as irrelevant is, in reality, a far more sinister version of Boris the Liar.

I'm struggling to see any "good" in his party. Whilst "clownish" doesn't come close to describing those who'd vote for it "regardless" of candidates from whom even Farage distances himself and the impact it'd have on their every day lives...