[Goku]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62083196

Oh dear. This looks pretty grim, anyone else seen it?

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The Ministry of Defence said British troops were held to the highest standards. "No new evidence has been presented, but the Service Police will consider any allegations should new evidence come to light," a spokesperson said.

Held to the highest standard indeed. Sounds like our SAS have been slaughtering cowering innocent people.

[hilly81]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 08:51 AM, said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62083196

Oh dear. This looks pretty grim, anyone else seen it?



Held to the highest standard indeed. Sounds like our SAS have been slaughtering cowering innocent people.

Saw this earlier. Not a good read.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 08:51 AM, said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62083196

Oh dear. This looks pretty grim, anyone else seen it?



Held to the highest standard indeed. Sounds like our SAS have been slaughtering cowering innocent people.

They are at the ferry pinpoint of military duties, the slightest slip up would probably see they themselves tortured and mutilated. Unfortunately in war, particularly anti terror operations we are best not knowing. I wonder how many terror attacks the SAS have prevented over the years?
Like the line from Col Jessop in “A Few Good Men” and I paraphrase..”don’t sleep soundly under the blanket of protection I provide and then question how I provide it, I’d rather you just said Thankyou.”

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 12 July 2022 - 03:41 PM, said:

They are at the ferry pinpoint of military duties, the slightest slip up would probably see they themselves tortured and mutilated. Unfortunately in war, particularly anti terror operations we are best not knowing. I wonder how many terror attacks the SAS have prevented over the years?
Like the line from Col Jessop in “A Few Good Men” and I paraphrase..”don’t sleep soundly under the blanket of protection I provide and then question how I provide it, I’d rather you just said Thankyou.”

No thanks, I'd rather be aware if our military are gunning down unarmed people and then attempting to cover their tracks with clearly bogus stories.

Baffling views, Mark. Truly baffling, but unfortunately not surprising.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 03:49 PM, said:

No thanks, I'd rather be aware if our military are gunning down unarmed people and then attempting to cover their tracks with clearly bogus stories.

Baffling views, Mark. Truly baffling, but unfortunately not surprising.

Sorry it wasn’t aimed directly at you, more of a broad stroke that people with no front line military knowledge or expertise, myself included, are sometimes better not knowing how our security is maintained.
The bravado and tally ho chaps portrayed in those old black and white films is far from reality. Saving Private Ryan, the first scenes especially, probably give a better view.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 12 July 2022 - 03:57 PM

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 12 July 2022 - 03:55 PM, said:

Sorry it wasn’t aimed directly at you, more of a broad stroke that people with no front line military knowledge or expertise, myself included, are sometimes better not knowing how our security is maintained.
The bravado and tally ho chaps portrayed in those old black and white films is far from reality. Saving Private Ryan, the first scenes especially, probably give a better view.

No probs, I know it wasn't aimed at me but it reads to me that you're suggesting we shrug our shoulders when incidents like this occur. It doesn't matter how tough the job is, you can't just gun down unarmed folk and then attempt to (badly) cover your tracks. Except, you can, because apparently they seem to have gotten away with it.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 04:00 PM, said:

No probs, I know it wasn't aimed at me but it reads to me that you're suggesting we shrug our shoulders when incidents like this occur. It doesn't matter how tough the job is, you can't just gun down unarmed folk and then attempt to (badly) cover your tracks. Except, you can, because apparently they seem to have gotten away with it.

Having read the report I must admit I some of it I does appear to be disturbing, but I’d still rather be reading a report than out there in a report.

[Goku]

Quaker, on 12 July 2022 - 06:24 PM, said:

Much of the evidence is based at the height of round strikes in a wall. The BBC believe they are very low indicating people were shot and killed whilst laying/sitting.

You’ve sidestepped the numerous reports of captured individuals magically managing to get their hands on weapons, on a seemingly constant basis. This didn’t happen anywhere else, in any other camps. Sure, the BBC shouldn’t be judge and juror - who should be, then? The people who were there, who would have a vested interest in any wrongdoing being covered up?

Just seen it’s on iplayer, sounds like it’ll be worth a watch

This post has been edited by Goku: 12 July 2022 - 06:40 PM

[Misnomer]

Some of the folk being disgusted by this story and calling for these guys to be sent to prison, will be the same people, at protests/festivals, wearing Lenin and Stalin t-shirts....

[Tylerdurdencfc]

Based on the ever reliable BBC Panorama Haha.

[Mr Mercury]

Misnomer, on 12 July 2022 - 08:41 PM, said:

Some of the folk being disgusted by this story and calling for these guys to be sent to prison, will be the same people, at protests/festivals, wearing Lenin and Stalin t-shirts....

Defending a country is a secretive messy business, fair play to those with the minerals to do it.

[Tylerdurdencfc]

I'd love to know who these individuals are they have apparently spoken to who observed the SAS killing unarmed innocent people are.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 08:51 AM, said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62083196

Oh dear. This looks pretty grim, anyone else seen it?



Held to the highest standard indeed. Sounds like our SAS have been slaughtering cowering innocent people.

Looking back at your original point…
“Held to the highest standard indeed. Sounds like our SAS have been slaughtering cowering innocent people”
In the words of many a post on here….SMEAR.
Thankfully I’d imagine the vast majority of the UK public are pretty happy with the SAS.
I know I am.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 03:49 PM, said:

No thanks, I'd rather be aware if our military are gunning down unarmed people and then attempting to cover their tracks with clearly bogus stories.

Baffling views, Mark. Truly baffling, but unfortunately not surprising.

Not baffling really..just pretty pleased they’re on our side.

[Goku]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 12 July 2022 - 08:54 PM, said:

I'd love to know who these individuals are they have apparently spoken to who observed the SAS killing unarmed innocent people are.

I bet you would. I imagine if their identities were made public something similar would happen to them, so obviously you won’t.

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 12 July 2022 - 08:59 PM, said:

Looking back at your original point…
“Held to the highest standard indeed. Sounds like our SAS have been slaughtering cowering innocent people”
In the words of many a post on here….SMEAR.
Thankfully I’d imagine the vast majority of the UK public are pretty happy with the SAS.
I know I am.

Yes because criticism of a select group of SAS members is criticism of the entire SAS, well done

To be fair, I imagine if they were caught on camera gunning down unarmed women and children you’d come up with some excuse for them and give them the benefit of the doubt. After all, they’re wearing the flag, and I know how much you like flags.

Misnomer, on 12 July 2022 - 08:41 PM, said:

Some of the folk being disgusted by this story and calling for these guys to be sent to prison, will be the same people, at protests/festivals, wearing Lenin and Stalin t-shirts....

You’re running out of material

This post has been edited by Goku: 12 July 2022 - 09:31 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 12 July 2022 - 09:30 PM, said:

Yes because criticism of a select group of SAS members is criticism of the entire SAS, well done

To be fair, I imagine if they were caught on camera gunning down unarmed women and children you’d come up with some excuse for them and give them the benefit of the doubt. After all, they’re wearing the flag, and I know how much you like flags.

Like I say I make no excuses for being quite happy they’re on our side. You seem too hasty to down cry an element of the British army that are held in much esteem the World over.
And I dare say all members of the British military, the SAS included, quite like our flag, so much so they’re prepared to die for it. Maybe tell a member of the SAS, or indeed any member of our armed forces that they’re a flag shagger or sarcastically point out they quite like our flag!