[azul]

Apparently Putin was provoked by the EU and NATO so isn't a nutcase after all as that other thread suggests

Lots of outrage at least from the politicians but Falange is only reading from Trump's bible. Wonder if they'll be so outraged when Trump is back and he is saying it.

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[Mr Mercury]

 azul, on 22 June 2024 - 11:07 AM, said:

Apparently Putin was provoked by the EU and NATO so isn't a nutcase after all as that other thread suggests

Lots of outrage at least from the politicians but Falange is only reading from Trump's bible. Wonder if they'll be so outraged when Trump is back and he is saying it.

But that?s the whole point. He is a nutcase., he?s nothing to fear by the expansion of the EU or NATO, he used it as a means to his end argument. The invasion.

[Goku]

 Mr Mercury, on 22 June 2024 - 10:06 AM, said:

Apologism because he?s voiced his view on why Putin invaded?

If Corbyn was the Labour leader and had said it you?d be making 12 posts an hour about it bud (and rightly so).

[calvin plummers socks]

Johnny Mercer - I imagine you?re a fan Mercury?

[Mr Mercury]

 Goku, on 22 June 2024 - 12:21 PM, said:

If Corbyn was the Labour leader and had said it you?d be making 12 posts an hour about it bud (and rightly so).

I?m not sure I would, both Farage and GR have voiced opinions why Putin both felt emboldened to invade and his mindset into why he should invade. They?re not riding around on chargers trumpeting the invasion.
As per usual on here those who demand debate are the ones who shout loudest to stifle it!

[Goku]

 Mr Mercury, on 22 June 2024 - 12:41 PM, said:

I?m not sure I would, both Farage and GR have voiced opinions why Putin both felt emboldened to invade and his mindset into why he should invade. They?re not riding around on chargers trumpeting the invasion.
As per usual on here those who demand debate are the ones who shout loudest to stifle it!

You deffo would, you banged on about Starmer supping a Cobra for long enough, you?d have been on it like a tramp on chips if Corbyn had given some apologist borderline pro-Russia comment.

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[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 22 June 2024 - 12:49 PM, said:

You deffo would, you banged on about Starmer supping a Cobra for long enough, you?d have been on it like a tramp on chips if Corbyn had given some apologist borderline pro-Russia comment.

That was to highlight the hypocrisy of that v party gate.
Well that?s hindsight, I don?t think I would, although hands up the circumstantial evidence certainly backs you up, but if he had the same ones now wanting Farage to be hung would be defending Corbyn, but all hindsight mate. Anyhow I must say I admire Corbyn for his forthright refusal to be moved from his views and opinions and stand his ground by his principles as much as I disagree with him. For a start he?s well and truely got Starmer sussed, telling him to own his time in the shadow cabinet rather than bleat about it and try to rewrite it.

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Mr Mercury, on 22 June 2024 - 12:57 PM, said:

That was to highlight the hypocrisy of that v party gate.
Well that?s hindsight, I don?t think I would, although hands up the circumstantial evidence certainly backs you up, but if he had the same ones now wanting Farage to be hung would be defending Corbyn, but all hindsight mate. Anyhow I must say I admire Corbyn for his forthright refusal to be moved from his views and opinions and stand his ground by his principles as much as I disagree with him. For a start he?s well and truely got Starmer sussed, telling him to own his time in the shadow cabinet rather than bleat about it and try to rewrite it.

Mate, look; you really do have to stop and think about what you're saying.

Me or thee or anyone else on here "express opinions". The better ones back them up with facts and figures and links and quotes and evidence. Others just say stuff like 'I'll post what I want', accuse those talking of morals or credibility or honesty of being somehow pious or pepper these pages with assertions then hide behind some sanctity of the ballotbox rather than account for them.

But it dun't matter 'cos this's merely an obscure section of a lower league messageboard frequented by a couple of dozen people.

On the other hand Farage is a professional politician. He wants folks' votes. He makes a great deal of money from his role - including a highly lucrative pension from the EU he spent years seeking to leave - and would like to exert power over us.

So what he say matters.

And what he does says stinks. From his associations with racists ( https://www.mirror.c...-nigel-33032598 ), to his endorsement of despicable mysogynists ( https://www.independ...m-b2566506.html ), to his sycophancy for the convicted criminal and alleged terrorist inciting Trump ( https://www.nytimes....rges-jan-6.html ), to approving crass football chants ( https://www.lbc.co.u...german-bombers/ ), to his relationships with anti Semites and Nazi apologists ( https://www.lbc.co.u...hitler-up-on-h/ & https://inews.co.uk/...theories-288382 ).

The list goes on and on and on.

To the point he's now doubled down on his pro Putin propaganda. The grifter posing with D Day vets. The chancer always purporting an obviously perverted patriotism. The scammer who probably did more damage to this country than any other with his utterly self serving Brexit agenda.

Blaming the democratic West for the murderous atrocities of a Kremlin killer.

Your cultish and ongoing support for Boris the Liar is one thing. Your desperate hypocrisy of vilifying a succession of socially conscious and/or leftist individuals whilst defending the catalogue of moral bankruptcies of right wing characters is another.

Though surely even your fingers in ears and eyes squeezed shut admiration for them can't stretch to in any way excusing this latest disgrace...can it?

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[joe]

isleaiw1, on 19 June 2024 - 07:36 AM, said:

What will get done? we have an ageing population, improved medical procedures and treatments, fewer people economically active, already very hogh tax take from business and those on higher incomes, the expected spend on the NHS and pensions will balloon. And Labour will do what? devolve a bit more power to mayors, allow a few more houses to be built and create another govt body in the energy company, and growth will finance everything - well that they are talking about so far...

Growth will be better over the next 5 years - inflation is back at target today, productivity will increase as firms will need it to to pay higher interest rates which wont go back to below 1%. But I see nothing in what they are saying that will move the dial - except we will spend more on the NHS (into the black hole it goes, to what effect who knows) and somehow we will magic up new teachers and PCSOs despite doing nothing to make the jobs more attractive... but more spending means more tax so just the govt deciding where its spent rather than individuals...

So the next 5 years should be better than the last - no Covid, no shock of a war in Europe - but will it be as good as it could be and will it set us up for the5 years after....?

The labour government will find some money without resorting to PFI. They can't talk about their plans at the moment but as soon as the election is over I think you will be surprised. One thing they must do is stop the destruction of our rivers. They will tackle the 10 million pounds of Covid fraud and imprison some of the tory cronies, and MPs and Lords that made a killing

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 June 2024 - 02:09 PM, said:

Mate, look; you really do have to stop and think about what you're saying.

Me or thee or anyone else on here "express opinions". The better ones back them up with facts and figures and links and quotes and evidence. Others just say stuff like 'I'll post what I want', accuse those talking of morals or credibility or honesty of being somehow pious or pepper these pages with assertions then hide behind some sanctity of the ballotbox rather than account for them.

But it dun't matter 'cos this's merely an obscure section of a lower league messageboard frequented by a couple of dozen people.

On the other hand Farage is a professional politician. He wants folks' votes. He makes a great deal of money from his role - including a highly lucrative pension from the EU he spent years seeking to leave - and would like to exert power over us.

So what he say matters.

And what he does says stinks. From his associations with racists ( https://www.mirror.c...-nigel-33032598 ), to his endorsement of despicable mysogynists ( https://www.independ...m-b2566506.html ), to his sycophancy for the convicted criminal and alleged terrorist inciting Trump ( https://www.nytimes....rges-jan-6.html ), to approving crass football chants ( https://www.lbc.co.u...german-bombers/ ), to his relationships with anti Semites and Nazi apologists ( https://www.lbc.co.u...hitler-up-on-h/ & https://inews.co.uk/...theories-288382 ).

The list goes on and on and on.

To the point he's now doubled down on his pro Putin propaganda. The grifter posing with D Day vets. The chancer always purporting an obviously perverted patriotism. The scammer who probably did more damage to this country than any other with his utterly self serving Brexit agenda.

Blaming the democratic West for the murderous atrocities of a Kremlin killer.

Your cultish and ongoing support for Boris the Liar is one thing. Your desperate hypocrisy of vilifying a succession of socially conscious and/or leftist individuals whilst defending the catalogue of moral bankruptcies of right wing characters is another.

Though surely even your fingers in ears and eyes squeezed shut admiration for them can't stretch to in any way excusing this latest disgrace...can it?

Why on earth do I have to stop and think about what I?m saying? What an opening line. Ridiculous
I?m not sure what I?ve said re Farage on this issue that?s so contentious?
Oh and if I decide to keep my vote on 4th of July between myself and the ballot box I will and if I decide to say who I voted for, and if it?s not Labour have the usual gasps and arm throwing disbelief that people could vote for anyone else, then I?ll do that as well. All accompanied with my view and option but most certainly without reasoned debate, as I?ve said before reasoned debate long since vanished on here in political discussion, you yourself cite a growing list of those with whom debate is impossible. I no longer waste my time attempting reasoned debate and I’m quite comfortable with that stance.

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Mr Mercury, on 22 June 2024 - 02:37 PM, said:

Why on earth do I have to stop and think about what I?m saying? What an opening line. Ridiculous
I?m not sure what I?ve said re Farage on this issue that?s so contentious?
Oh and if I decide to keep my vote on 4th of July between myself and the ballot box I will and if I decide to say who I voted for, and if it?s not Labour have the usual gasps and arm throwing disbelief that people could vote for anyone else, then I?ll do that as well. All accompanied with my view and option but most certainly without reasoned debate, as I?ve said before reasoned debate long since vanished on here in political discussion, you yourself cite a growing list of those with whom debate is impossible. I no longer waste my time attempting reasoned debate and I?m quite comfortable with that stance.

You really don't get it, do you.

You genuinely can't grasp the dichotomy before your very eyes.

Your blindness to anything your cult leaders do or say has become so absolute, right and wrong long since became irrelevant.

You recently told us you'd been moved by a visit to the Imperial War Museum - yeah? Telling us it confirmed to you 'everything we stand for' - right? Well putting aside the grimace invoking connotations of Empire that similarly went so far over your head, how do you think those referenced by all the 'Lest We Forget' car stickers or door number plates or flags would view a British politician embracing Nazi apologists? Supporting a Trump who embodies so much of what they fought and died to oppose? Promoting pro Putin victim blaming on an international scale?

I honestly don't have any words left if you can't understand that question...

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[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 June 2024 - 04:23 PM, said:

You really don't get it, do you.

You genuinely can't grasp the dichotomy before your very eyes.

Your blindness to anything your cult leaders do or say has become so absolute, right and wrong long since became irrelevant.

You recently told us you'd been moved by a visit to the Imperial War Museum - yeah? Telling us it confirmed to you 'everything we stand for' - right? Well putting aside the grimace invoking connotations of Empire that similarly went so far over your head, how do you think those referenced by all the 'Lest We Forget' car stickers or door number plates or flags would view a British politician embracing Nazi apologists? Supporting a Trump who embodies so much of what they fought and died to oppose? Promoting pro Putin victim blaming on an international scale?

I honestly don't have any words left if you can't understand that question...

Cult leaders? And you want debate? Brilliant. And believe me there?s very little that on here that goes over my head! I’ve got it well sussed, particularly the political threads on here. Very well sussed indeed.
Loved the War Museum, the Churchill war rooms also. I enjoy our history and visiting places that remind us of it, likewise the National Holocaust centre at Laxton, that shows we should never allow the rise of anti semitism in this country.
I get it..Farage is in your sights now, so pigeon holing all those who might vote reform is your latest crusade and I?m sure some are disgusted by Farage, likewise others may still support him, I?ve no idea. But you honestly don?t have any words left? I doubt that.

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Mr Mercury, on 22 June 2024 - 04:35 PM, said:

Cult leaders? And you want debate? Brilliant. And believe me there?s very little that on here that goes over my head! I?ve got it well sussed, particularly the political threads on here. Very well sussed indeed.
Loved the War Museum, the Churchill war rooms also. I enjoy our history and visiting places that remind us of it, likewise the National Holocaust centre at Laxton, that shows we should never allow the rise of anti semitism in this country.
I get it..Farage is in your sights now, so pigeon holing all those who might vote reform is your latest crusade and I?m sure some are disgusted by Farage, likewise others may still support him, I?ve no idea. But you honestly don?t have any words left? I doubt that.

"...We should never allow the rise of anti Semitisim in this country"?

To repeat... https://inews.co.uk/...theories-288382

And... https://www.independ...r-a8031191.html

Or... https://www.spectato...h-beppe-grillo/

Then... https://www.independ...e-a7185236.html

Perhaps... https://www.theguard...ic-dog-whistles

It goes on... https://hopenothate....cy-theory-show/

But hey, fingers in ears, eyes tight shut and just keep saying poor wickle "Nige' is the real victim, here...

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 June 2024 - 05:29 PM, said:

"...We should never allow the rise of anti Semitisim in this country"?

To repeat... https://inews.co.uk/...theories-288382

And... https://www.independ...r-a8031191.html

Or... https://www.spectato...h-beppe-grillo/

Then... https://www.independ...e-a7185236.html

Perhaps... https://www.theguard...ic-dog-whistles

It goes on... https://hopenothate....cy-theory-show/

But hey, fingers in ears, eyes tight shut and just keep saying poor wickle "Nige' is the real victim, here...

No more words? That lasted didn?t it.
Well you’ll be voting for the party that has a problem and long history with antisemitism, and endorsed antisemite Corbyn as PM, so not sure what the links prove, I’ve not looked at them btw, and it’s not going away.
Reform your well and truly your go to posting now!
Now where will I mark my X? What a quandary?
I might wait to see where JKR marks her X, she’s got Starmer sussed as well!
Starmer’s ‘abandoned women’, says Rowling, superb article in todays Mail. I won’t bother copying it because it’ll just get the usual sneer.

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[Wooden Spoon]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 June 2024 - 05:29 PM, said:

"...We should never allow the rise of anti Semitisim in this country"?

To repeat... https://inews.co.uk/...theories-288382

And... https://www.independ...r-a8031191.html

Or... https://www.spectato...h-beppe-grillo/

Then... https://www.independ...e-a7185236.html

Perhaps... https://www.theguard...ic-dog-whistles

It goes on... https://hopenothate....cy-theory-show/

But hey, fingers in ears, eyes tight shut and just keep saying poor wickle "Nige' is the real victim, here...

Labour?s problem is differentiating between not supporting Israel and their actions and anti Israel doctrine

If you have a significant Muslim membership that?s a fine tightrope you have to walk


Corbyn couldn?t or probably wouldn?t walk that tightrope and choose to lay breaths on the ground for the black September terrorist dead

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[Mr Mercury]

Starmer reveals how he set trap for Boris over party gate?the sly dog..rather like he?s setting a trap over unsuspecting voters re their tax burden.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Wooden Spoon, on 22 June 2024 - 07:36 PM, said:

Labour?s problem is differentiating between not supporting Israel and their actions and anti Israel doctrine

If you have a significant Muslim membership that?s a fine tightrope you have to walk


Corbyn couldn?t or probably wouldn?t walk that tightrope and choose to lay breaths on the ground for the black September terrorist dead

I don't know if Corbyn's an anti Semite or just associated with too many for too long to know the difference.

But I do know too many party members either quit or reported anti Semitism for it all to be blamed on Mail-esque media smears.

However Starmer's made huge strides in ridding Labour of that label. To the point the Luciana Berger needing security at a recent conference (wtf?!) is now comfortable rejoining.

In fact his position is strong enough to accept significant numbers of resignations without changing the official line on the Gazan war.

I don't necessarily agree with it being just a Muslim issue, either. Many non Muslim members have been expelled for expressing inappropriate language. Though obviously everything surrounding Israel will, quite legitimately, be like an open sore.

Simple truth is Labour firmly occupy the centre ground of UK politics, now. Whatever problems persist pale into insignificance compared to a Tory party descending into civil war. Which will inevitably incorporate Farage's vanity vehicle populated by a plethora of far right loons making Braverman look 'woak'.

Also consider this; SKS has ensured the hundreds of Labour MP's being elected in July will be of a sufficient calibre to underpin the progress made. No collection of Andersons or Gullis's hanging on the back of Johnson's inevitably exposed shirt flaps. Intelligent and qualified individuals in a moderate New Labour mould.

We've endured year after year of chaos. Sleaze and scandal. Shameless and self serving corruption. I believe the UK electorate are ready for a term or two of boring stability...

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

I almost felt sorry for today's studio stooge James 'not so' Cleverly this morning.

Well, almost.

First he had to wriggle and squirm his way around this: https://www.bbc.com/...es/cn440850elmo

Which was pretty much impossible as it only echoed, erm, this: https://www.independ...k-b2448446.html

And things only went downhill from there, as what's become known as 'Gamblegate' entered the conversation: https://www.huffingt...4b0fdfa60648d25

Oh dear. Simply hiding behind 'I can't comment as there's an investigation' was just desperate. Eye rollingly desperate.

But hey, he might've cheered himself up laughing at all those who furiously demand Lineker or Neville or Vorderman or The ABoC or any other media figure 'keep their nose out of politics' suddenly cheering JK Rowling's comments...

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[Wooden Spoon]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 June 2024 - 09:29 PM, said:

I don't know if Corbyn's an anti Semite or just associated with too many for too long to know the difference.

But I do know too many party members either quit or reported anti Semitism for it all to be blamed on Mail-esque media smears.

However Starmer's made huge strides in ridding Labour of that label. To the point the Luciana Berger needing security at a recent conference (wtf?!) is now comfortable rejoining.

In fact his position is strong enough to accept significant numbers of resignations without changing the official line on the Gazan war.

I don't necessarily agree with it being just a Muslim issue, either. Many non Muslim members have been expelled for expressing inappropriate language. Though obviously everything surrounding Israel will, quite legitimately, be like an open sore.

Simple truth is Labour firmly occupy the centre ground of UK politics, now. Whatever problems persist pale into insignificance compared to a Tory party descending into civil war. Which will inevitably incorporate Farage's vanity vehicle populated by a plethora of far right loons making Braverman look 'woak'.

Also consider this; SKS has ensured the hundreds of Labour MP's being elected in July will be of a sufficient calibre to underpin the progress made. No collection of Andersons or Gullis's hanging on the back of Johnson's inevitably exposed shirt flaps. Intelligent and qualified individuals in a moderate New Labour mould.

We've endured year after year of chaos. Sleaze and scandal. Shameless and self serving corruption. I believe the UK electorate are ready for a term or two of boring stability...

He?s been so pro Palestinian it?s clouded his view of Israelis, to the point where it appears to be anti semitic