[carl1969]

Death i dont know how you dare argue with those whose opinion is the only one worth having (and is obviously right every time) its time we all agreed things great and dont you forget it

[Wooden Spoon]

carl1969, on Jun 16 2006, 07:49 PM, said:

Death i dont know how you dare argue with those whose opinion is the only one worth having (and is obviously right every time) its time we all agreed things great and dont you forget it

ey up carl.

how`s your neck? any better?

This post has been edited by death: 16 June 2006 - 08:20 PM

[h again]

death, on Jun 15 2006, 06:11 PM, said:

you dont know me,what i do or what i have done. how are you in a position to judge which "world" i am in?
may i suggest that having worked,rather than holidayed, on 3 different continents i have seen far more of the real world than you have.


which country are you from h? you appear to have difficulties with english, so for the 3rd time(at least) i am not standing because 1, i dont want to. 2 it is not practicle for me to do so. mind you, i had to tell you 4 times i was a life member of cfss, so its par for the course.

there is only a limited amount that can be done by phone. for example, i cannot see any plans or drawings ref new ground to comment. any assistance would therefore be limited.
how do you know how many times i come to chesterfield? do you secretly monitor my movements? i actualy make about half of the home games. a 6-7 hour round trip isnt always practicle given other commitments

seems i am not the only one either h. see a selection below. far more people seem to be questioning the clubs/cfss inability to exploit revenue. the only 2 people who seem to support such a policy is you, and sophie. did the pair of you fall off the same christmas tree?
"The Director concerned failed to see the importance of attempting to develop a stronger revenue stream from the 130 strong Business Club by approaching its members in relation to promoting programme advertising, stadium advertising, corporate season tickets and BOTM membership. I was informed that this wasn’t the purpose of the Business Club and that the majority of those members aren’t football fans anyway so it would be a pointless exercise. He did say that if anyone from the Business Club wanted to come forward and enquire about such sponsorship / advertising opportunities then their enquiry would be welcomed by the Club.

After our 13 minute conversation, I was told that he was sick with suppporters like me who criticise but don’t know what they're talking about and he went on to say, that if I wanted to buy out his debenture then I could have a position on the Board and with that, he put the phone down on me.

Now just to put this into perspective, last season, I provided 100 stewards jackets to the Club free of charge, purchased a Centre Stand season ticket, 57 tickets for the Chatsworth event and I also renewed our annual subscription to the Business Club.

Make up your own mind."
"With a budgeted loss of £170K for next season, I think it's about time someone got out of the comfort zone and started to look at ways to increase turnover.

It's the whole antics of the place Chris, I reckon our contribution last season was down £1K, and this season coming, it will be down £3.5K on 2005/06 season.

I'm just buying a season ticket, they can forget the rest.

If people want to play games, let them get on with it, but once bitten, twice shy."
"Coney was merely an example. I would imagine there are a few local venues running well short of capacity and may welcome an alliance with the Club.

I agree using other venues to generate additional income, stimulate a demand and build a market for the Club is not ideal, but the likely success would depend on the value of the Club's brand and also the ease at which potential customers can transfer their business from one provider to another.

Many businesses have been setup that rely upon the plant & machinery of other companies in order to sell their products. For example, a print broker, travel agent, red letter days (bad example!), and a financial advisor, to name a few. Take the financial advisor, he may be heavily into bed with Norwich Union, all of his customers know they're purchasing Norwich Union products through an intermediary (similar to us selling an organisation's conference space) and then the financial advisor decides he's going to start selling Royal & Sun Alliance Products (similar to us moving the conference business to the new ground), what impact would such a change have on his business? If he's offering like for like products and added value to his offering, I doubt it would cause him too many problems.

At the minute, we don't sell conference facilities. If we did forge an alliance with a company to build a market for ourselves when we eventually move, do you think it would have a positive or negative impact on the Brand, considering that we could have potentially generated 24 months of NEW revenue, built up a customer database and at the same time, be well prepared for the 2008/09 season?

The best working example I could give although it's not football related, would be that of a Travel Agent. Take Hotel Focus, based in Bakewell, I know I could phone them, give them a location, a budget, tell them what type of hotel and facilities I require and they would come back with a shortlist, I select the most suitable, they book it, I pay them and they get their percentage. There isn't even the need for an element of trust here, as I, as an individual wouldn't have the same purchasing power as such an organisation.

Over the next 24 months, couldn't the Club work with a few venues, Ringwood, Chesterfield Hotel, Coney Green, Sandpiper, Queens Park and start promoting itself as a conference / conference service provider, surely it's a more realistic approach than battening down the hatches until 2008/09?"
"You see this is the negative thinking a lot of us have at the club, were doomed from the start!"

"WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOMEBODY PROFFESIONAL
WHY CAN'T WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY
WHY CAN'T WE BETTER OURSELVES
WHY DO WE ALL KEEP KNOCKING EACH OTHER DOWN
WHY DO WE PUT UP WITH SECOND BEST

Enough is Enough why don't we all use our energy and passion and theres plenty of it around, just look at this board, lets demand as a unit what we want in the new era of the club, we are all proud of the badge, lets be proud of everything about the club, starting with the new ground!!!"

"Yep thats the real problem death, this first step to take when you have a problem you cannot deal with on your own is to admit you've got one. Its that first step but when you have done it things always seem better that there is a way out."
Trouble is Death will any of the CFSS be big enough or bold enough to admit it. If they stopped all strutting about like peacocks thinking there the best thing on God's earth and are untouchable the better for this club.

Respect is a big thing in my life, I like giving it and I like receiving it, do CFSS deserve OUR respect

I can honestly say I have experienced the 'Saltergate Factor' before.

In 2002 I worked for a company that supplied office supplies. As I was doing well and my boss was a big football fan and new of the routgh times we had experienced he said he would supply the club with free supplies, in return a litlle bit of publicity to say what they were doing, not one person would speak to me about it, not one I thought I was doing them a real favour save them a couple of Thousand pounds a year, could not be bothered to arrange a meeting to discuss it. I told Mr Warner it was disgraceful way to treat a fan with such contempt (on his answer phone for the 100th time)

Also Chris CFC offered to do a fun day supplying food, entertainment, music, bouncy castle etc all orginized by himself with all of the profits going to the players fund. What response did he get NOTHING.

No wonder his application form for season ticket renewal has gone in the bin. Its a crying shame because at the end of the day its the fans that suffer.

Until we appoint somebody with a total proffesional attitude to the club/promoting to the media this club is doomed and no amount of 'gems' and freebies that Roy keeps finding will be enough.

Yep Ernie that is why you will find they never attract new members, if your not in 'the gang' you will not be welcome, they will not see the facts that you cannot relax properly and be able to enjoy youselves. I went omn the bus last year (last resort) and all the things what people said about it were totally true. Official supportes bus is supposed to be the real characters of the club, welcoming a sense of togetherness, not 1 person bothered to speak to me all day, a proper shambles."
"At the time we were building the new toilets at the ground I was working on a project that was funded from grants and believed the same funding could be accessed to fund the toilet build.
I spoke to one of our more distinguished fans (in the "other" spireite site we cannot mention chat room). I explained that I get involved with community projects/capacity building etc as part of my day job and explained that I was 99% sure funding would be approved. It was suggested I write to the club out lining the potential source of income etc. This I duly did, highlighting how I had become aware of the funding and what my job was. I offered to complete the appropriate application forms and would only require details of the project cost to finalise the paperwork. This was not an easy thing to do and some degree of knowledge in this are was required in order to word the application in such a way that it met all the qualifying crieria. Whilst this would have taken me many hours to complete it was a no lose situation for the club. If the application was successful then the club got the funds, if it wasn't then only my time and effort had been wasted. All that was required from the club was a meeting and a few details. I never got an answer to my letter or a telephone call to ask for further details. I believe at the time we were talking something in the region of 30k. They say you should never look a gift horse in the mouth but we appear to do it regularly"
"lets get king phil on, he seems happy enough talking to other fans about fans ownership why not talk to us once in awhile."

"No reason why he should not officially on board, but spends significant amonuts of time there and must no some of the answers. As only Dalek responds to anything or takes anything forward just trying to widen the circle of people that may give out info. Not a problem is it?"

i got bored at that stage, but im sure even you can get the picture

I hope you didn't spend a long time over that - I'm certainly not going to read it. Tell you what though - since you've got so much spare time, try to find anywhere that I've defended inefficiency in CFSS or the CFC Board. The question is - can you do any better? If you won't even try, it's just hot air.

[Town_Fan]

h again, on Jun 17 2006, 10:27 AM, said:

I hope you didn't spend a long time over that - I'm certainly not going to read it. Tell you what though - since you've got so much spare time, try to find anywhere that I've defended inefficiency in CFSS or the CFC Board. The question is - can you do any better? If you won't even try, it's just hot air.

You only see what you want to see anyone which isnt alot since your so far up the club's bottom anyway. Your an apologist and no more its just the same old excuses with you, in fact your one of the reasons this club is going nowhere.

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Jun 17 2006, 01:19 PM, said:

You only see what you want to see anyone which isnt alot since your so far up the club's bottom anyway. Your an apologist and no more its just the same old excuses with you, in fact your one of the reasons this club is going nowhere.

Well, I'm doing my best but Mac still refuses to put me in the starting line-up.


Have you had a drink at lunchtime, or is it that you're apoplectic with rage - seems to be a certain lack of coherence in your post. Not that I'd presume to criticise.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Jun 17 2006, 10:25 PM, said:

Well, I'm doing my best but Mac still refuses to put me in the starting line-up.


Have you had a drink at lunchtime, or is it that you're apoplectic with rage - seems to be a certain lack of coherence in your post. Not that I'd presume to criticise.

i dont think its rage or alcohol. i think its an alergic reaction to blind apologistic muppets.


see post numbers 68 and 69 in the FAO Phil Tooley thread. Just about sums up everything that is wrong with our football club. to those of us who can see anyway.