[s42blue]

Genuinely seeking the opinions of those who know more about the Labour Party’s thoughts. Not looking to stir or provoke, just looking to learn.

Will Labour:

Put a cap on Financial Services bonuses?
Revoke the need for photo ID at elections?
Nationalise the utilities? Which?
Call a general election should the party need to replace its Leader?
Retain the triple lock?
Consider an EU referendum?
Build on the green belt and change planning laws?

Some of these questions are selfish, some are rules that irk me, some are bigger issues. The big issues I’m getting a handle on.

We’re finding out some of the plans for the manifesto (not enough IMO still but understand the reasons why.

Looking forward to the results/opinions.

[isleaiw1]

I dont think anyone knows yet - what they will do when the chips are down or what they say will do before the election....

But I also look forward to seeing the answers and then bookmarking it for the next 5 years

[Holmesc1]

They wont bail out bankrupt councils, thats been confirmed

[Johnnyspireite7]

In order, and remember I'm not Labour.

I hope so,
Please, something that was introduced that wasn't necessary,
Suspect Water will be as it's in such a mess, electricity has fractured too far, gas can do one (live in a house without gas and happy),
Why? No one in the history of changing leader mid term has done so in the past, Labour, Liberal or liars,
Yes,
Doubtful,
There are enough vacant brownfield sites available to not need to impinge on green belt land.

[isleaiw1]

Johnnyspireite7, on 11 March 2024 - 07:39 PM, said:

In order, and remember I'm not Labour.

I hope so,
Please, something that was introduced that wasn't necessary,
Suspect Water will be as it's in such a mess, electricity has fractured too far, gas can do one (live in a house without gas and happy),
Why? No one in the history of changing leader mid term has done so in the past, Labour, Liberal or liars,
Yes,
Doubtful,
There are enough vacant brownfield sites available to not need to impinge on green belt land.

But with the cap, jobs and tax revenues may move overseas (that seemed to be the evidence prior to removal)
Please keep them - if you dont want people to know who you are, why? And dont plead privacy, they will be carrying a mobile that tells the world loads - they just dont want authorities to know...
I am sure they will - water, rail, especially
Because they called on the Tories to do it - why wouldnt they then do it... if they think it should be done?
Probably - just raise taxes to get back what they cant afford....
I suspect going back on the EU in the current climate would be even more divisive than the first, and if you want that as a policy it HAS to be in the manifesto...
If they want to make more homes available for rent or to buy as affordable homes, its the only option.

I hear that Bolsover council have bought 50 plus houses on the new site up beyond Bolsover school that was greenfield...

[dart in the crossbar]

s42blue, on 11 March 2024 - 07:05 PM, said:

Genuinely seeking the opinions of those who know more about the Labour Party’s thoughts. Not looking to stir or provoke, just looking to learn.

Will Labour:

Put a cap on Financial Services bonuses? quietly, yes
Revoke the need for photo ID at elections? unlikely, no
Nationalise the utilities? Which? possibly yes
Call a general election should the party need to replace its Leader? no, not a chance
Retain the triple lock? yes
Consider an EU referendum? no, but are likely to strengthen trading arrangements with the EU
Build on the green belt and change planning laws? yes and quietly

Some of these questions are selfish, some are rules that irk me, some are bigger issues. The big issues I’m getting a handle on.

We’re finding out some of the plans for the manifesto (not enough IMO still but understand the reasons why.

Looking forward to the results/opinions.

would be my punt

[isleaiw1]

dart in the crossbar, on 11 March 2024 - 08:09 PM, said:

would be my punt

are you suggesting they will do things on the sly and try and hide them from public view? I thought everything would be whiter than white when they win... Surely as both are good socialist policies to restrict pay to the highest paid and solve the shortage of affordable homes, they will be shouting them from the rooftops? Or are you saying socialist policies arent popular any more?

[s42blue]

isleaiw1, on 12 March 2024 - 11:06 AM, said:

are you suggesting they will do things on the sly and try and hide them from public view? I thought everything would be whiter than white when they win... Surely as both are good socialist policies to restrict pay to the highest paid and solve the shortage of affordable homes, they will be shouting them from the rooftops? Or are you saying socialist policies arent popular any more?

I imagine he means not to have them as pinnacle manifesto promises rather than “on the sly”.

[dart in the crossbar]

s42blue, on 12 March 2024 - 11:09 AM, said:

I imagine he means not to have them as pinnacle manifesto promises rather than “on the sly”.

Kind of. I'd not entirely disagree with Ian's 'on the sly' comment though.

Some things play well with the media / general public when they come with banner headlines and on slow news days. 'Pound in your pocket' type stuff & sensible immigration stuff & action to recoup money given to 'fat cats' & armed forces/NHS/emergency services sensible stuff very, very much so

Some things are better released when the media is busy with something else. Almost anything Brexit-related is likely to be a high-risk area. TU stuff similarly.

New Labour was very good at this. And very good at party discipline.

As an aside, a post GE risk for a Labour government is that 13 years out of government, the poor quality of the current government, apotentially hard right opposition, an unispiring Starmer and a possible landslide may make it hard for Millbank to achieve party discipline and manage comms as well as the New Labour team.

BTW I'm presuming that, post GE, there will still be a functioning centre/right or right wing opposition with general sway with the media. If not, the comms would be far easier for Labour

[isleaiw1]

dart in the crossbar, on 12 March 2024 - 11:31 AM, said:

Kind of. I'd not entirely disagree with Ian's 'on the sly' comment though.

Some things play well with the media / general public when they come with banner headlines and on slow news days. 'Pound in your pocket' type stuff & sensible immigration stuff & action to recoup money given to 'fat cats' & armed forces/NHS/emergency services sensible stuff very, very much so

Some things are better released when the media is busy with something else. Almost anything Brexit-related is likely to be a high-risk area. TU stuff similarly.

New Labour was very good at this. And very good at party discipline.

As an aside, a post GE risk for a Labour government is that 13 years out of government, the poor quality of the current government, apotentially hard right opposition, an unispiring Starmer and a possible landslide may make it hard for Millbank to achieve party discipline and manage comms as well as the New Labour team.

BTW I'm presuming that, post GE, there will still be a functioning centre/right or right wing opposition with general sway with the media. If not, the comms would be far easier for Labour

Arent Labour going to be the centre right party and we'll have extreme right or nothing as an alternative? Although I can see the Lib Dems producing the most socialist manifesto again...

[s42blue]

isleaiw1, on 12 March 2024 - 12:01 PM, said:

Arent Labour going to be the centre right party and we'll have extreme right or nothing as an alternative? Although I can see the Lib Dems producing the most socialist manifesto again...

Labour to be centre right? Not with potential re-nationalisation.. centre left I’d say.

Or being provocative?

[isleaiw1]

s42blue, on 12 March 2024 - 12:31 PM, said:

Labour to be centre right? Not with potential re-nationalisation.. centre left I’d say.

Or being provocative?

You decide The truth is a left wing party hasnt won an election since Harold Wilson....

[s42blue]

isleaiw1, on 12 March 2024 - 12:36 PM, said:

You decide The truth is a left wing party hasnt won an election since Harold Wilson....

Provoking is fine.

Surprised there hasn’t been many staunch Labour replies. Wasn’t meant to be provocative.

[isleaiw1]

s42blue, on 13 March 2024 - 12:44 AM, said:

Provoking is fine.

Surprised there hasn’t been many staunch Labour replies. Wasn’t meant to be provocative.

I go back to my oft repeated comment, its easier to criticise than suggest better ways... in business and in politics. And I'm not sure Labour have said much about what they plan to do yet except not be Tory...

[Valley Blues]

s42blue, on 13 March 2024 - 12:44 AM, said:

Provoking is fine.

Surprised there hasn’t been many staunch Labour replies. Wasn’t meant to be provocative.

Surprising or very telling?

[s42blue]

Valley Blues, on 14 March 2024 - 01:14 PM, said:

Surprising or very telling?

Surprised. Normally overwhelmed with espousing the Labour policies

[Valley Blues]

s42blue, on 14 March 2024 - 03:04 PM, said:

Surprised. Normally overwhelmed with espousing the Labour policies

It is strange there hasn’t been anything.

Maybe, allegiances aside, they are actually as clueless as to what Labour are going to do, as opposed to what they aren’t going to do, as the rest of us?

[s42blue]

Valley Blues, on 14 March 2024 - 04:21 PM, said:

It is strange there hasn’t been anything.

Maybe, allegiances aside, they are actually as clueless as to what Labour are going to do, as opposed to what they aren’t going to do, as the rest of us?

Seems like you’re right.

[isleaiw1]

s42blue, on 28 March 2024 - 02:54 PM, said:

Seems like you’re right.

They are going to
- get britain building again by building the infrastructure we need
- switch on great british energy- and create 500,000 jobs with a new publicly owned energy company
- get the nhs back on its feet - cut waiting times by paying NHS staff to deliver 2m more appointments on evenings and weekends
- take back our streets - with 13000 extra police and PCSOs
- break down barriers to opportunity with breakfast clubs in every primary school, 6500 new specialist teachers and new tech colleges

All fully funded...

my questions:

are we borrowing for the first - through some public private finance initiative? They have gone well so far. Where are all the builders coming from because there has been a shortage in the industry...
how will number 2 be achieved? Are they going to nationalise what is there (and then how compensate the current owners - more borrowing?) or is it from scratch and will compete with them, and how does that work to be fair? and who is providing the funding for the clean energy, another form of borrowing then?
won number 3 where are the staff coming from? and the pay to pay for them to work longer hours? More borrowing? Privatisation?
where are the extra police coming from and how long to train>? and what is the cost and how is it being funded?
on the last where is the money coming from and the people?

We already have a very tight labour force. We already have the highest taxes since the war. It would need more detail on the how, the cost, where the money is coming from, how we make sure it is good value, how we avoid wage rate inflation if are significantly upping demands from govt, which will need better pay to attract....

But I am sure someone will be along to explain soon....

Although this is the tumbleweed thread...

[Valley Blues]

s42blue, on 28 March 2024 - 02:54 PM, said:

Seems like you’re right.

With the activity on pretty much every other thread, it does appear that the silence is speaking a thousand words.