[PontePete]

 isleaiw1, on 08 June 2024 - 09:14 PM, said:

Or was it that he got political and stood against Major?

Attenborough is pretty well thought of and he is a big believer in climate change being a human thing...

I?m not sure standing against Major who ultimately got his arse kicked in 97 would have made him persona non grata, in fact quite the opposite I?d have thought.

Attenborough toes the narrative line, he?ll always be championed.

[isleaiw1]

PontePete, on 08 June 2024 - 09:39 PM, said:

I?m not sure standing against Major who ultimately got his arse kicked in 97 would have made him persona non grata, in fact quite the opposite I?d have thought.

Attenborough toes the narrative line, he?ll always be championed.

But there is an argument there that it could be a reason, he even said so. But because it doesnt suit your story, you ignore it. A bit like data on climate change, I dont like it so I wont believe it.

Anyway, we wont agree, so I'll try to do my bit because its no skin off my nose and I hope it helps my grandkids. As always we can all make our own choices using what info we want and our own attitude to the reliability of data.

A bit like Covid, no idea if your 99% survive figure is right - but of course if it is and you were infected and infected 10 people and they each infected 10 people, that is one dead. And that is only secondary transmission. By the time you look at 4 or 5 times the transfer, you have a fair few dead, and given it could have been my mum, relatives, friends or parents of friends, I'm happy to do the best to stop it. as seemingly was the rest of the world - who dont like each other so certainly wouldnt have agreed this stuff otherwise!

But each to their own.... you do you, I'll do me, Misnomer will do angry, cps will do fishing, blue roan will be shy watching...

Roll on the Euros we there is some meaning to life!

[PontePete]

 isleaiw1, on 08 June 2024 - 10:06 PM, said:

But there is an argument there that it could be a reason, he even said so. But because it doesnt suit your story, you ignore it. A bit like data on climate change, I dont like it so I wont believe it.

Anyway, we wont agree, so I'll try to do my bit because its no skin off my nose and I hope it helps my grandkids. As always we can all make our own choices using what info we want and our own attitude to the reliability of data.

A bit like Covid, no idea if your 99% survive figure is right - but of course if it is and you were infected and infected 10 people and they each infected 10 people, that is one dead. And that is only secondary transmission. By the time you look at 4 or 5 times the transfer, you have a fair few dead, and given it could have been my mum, relatives, friends or parents of friends, I'm happy to do the best to stop it. as seemingly was the rest of the world - who dont like each other so certainly wouldnt have agreed this stuff otherwise!

But each to their own.... you do you, I'll do me, Misnomer will do angry, cps will do fishing, blue roan will be shy watching...

Roll on the Euros we there is some meaning to life!

And all those same risks were always there with seasonal flu, the vulnerable were always at risk, but we never shut the country down
and bankrupted it for that did we?

And as far our kids and grandkids, well their tax bills will be reflecting the Covid bollux for years to come, let?s hope your record May temps continue for a long time to come, cos let?s face it they probably won?t be able to afford to put the heating on.

Never mind though it was all worth it cos Dave got to spend the summer of 2020 in his garden with his shirt off supping tinnies instead of going to work, and got paid 80% of his wage for doing so. What?s not to like about that?

Probably fu**ed your pension up as well 😉

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[Misnomer]

 isleaiw1, on 08 June 2024 - 09:18 PM, said:

On the name change, see this...

https://science.nasa...global-warming/

On the data, are you saying you have seen the data and disagree with the findings, or you havent seen the data and how it was collected and therefore refuse to believe it? Pretty sure if its the latter the data around the arctic circle ice levels could be found in an academic study on line if you wanted to see it...

Some would say of course that without the data you cant disagree, you can only say you dont know... unless of course you dont really need data to reach your conclusions?

Shall I repeat everything I wrote? You've decided to swerve past a huge chunk of it....

[isleaiw1]

PontePete, on 08 June 2024 - 10:20 PM, said:

And all those same risks were always there with seasonal flu, the vulnerable were always at risk, but we never shut the country down
and bankrupted it for that did we?

And as far our kids and grandkids, well their tax bills will be reflecting the Covid bollux for years to come, let?s hope your record May temps continue for a long time to come, cos let?s face it they probably won?t be able to afford to put the heating on.

Never mind though it was all worth it cos Dave got to spend the summer of 2020 in his garden with his shirt off supping tinnies instead of going to work, and got paid 80% of his wage for doing so. What?s not to like about that?

Probably fu**ed your pension up as well 😉

My pension is doing remarkably well, so much so that I'm thinking of reducing my hours next year

If it was so unproblematic, why did virtually every country impose some form of lockdown? let me guess, they were all in it together to control the plebs? Or maybe it was a disease they knew little about and we needed a vaccine to get back to normal... and he presto, here we all are.

Furlough cost ?70bn apparently. That's only a fraction of the amounts owed under gold plated public sector pension schemes. Only ?40bn for the electricity price support due to the war in Ukraine. Add in another ?3bn for flood defences due to wet and warm weather

We should do nowt and let it go wrong. As long as I'm alright, who gives a ***.

[isleaiw1]

Misnomer, on 09 June 2024 - 08:16 AM, said:

Shall I repeat everything I wrote? You've decided to swerve past a huge chunk of it....

Because I only wanted to know an answer to that bit, generally dont read your posts but intrigued by your comments on the data... as an academic isnt the view that a hypothesis can be proven or unproven by data but no data seen doesnt mean its not true?

[Misnomer]

 isleaiw1, on 09 June 2024 - 09:03 AM, said:

Because I only wanted to know an answer to that bit, generally dont read your posts but intrigued by your comments on the data... as an academic isnt the view that a hypothesis can be proven or unproven by data but no data seen doesnt mean its not true?

That's nice of you, Ian...you don't read them; yet, from the written word, which carries zero intonation, you've chosen to infer my character as being 'angry'. There really is no depth to your capabilities.

As I've said, you can present data however you want, it doesn't mean it's truly representative of results.

The BBC horrified a nation with their data presentation ref COVID; they've subsequently been reprimanded for doing so. The government run organisation decided to show ABC, they chose to omit XYZ.

Big pharma is well known for dumping multiple studies on medicines that achieve negative outcomes, but the one that shows a positive correlation is presented as THE outcome.

You can twist and present data however you want, but you can't fake methodologies... because they have to be able to be replicated, over and over.

Transparency is everything....