Death Penalty
#1
Posted 29 January 2024 - 02:06 PM
“I've been to four previous executions and I've never seen a condemned inmate thrash in the way that Kenneth Smith reacted to the nitrogen gas,", Alabama journalist Lee Hedgepeth told the BBC's Newsday programme.
"Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total."
Discuss. And if you agree by what method. What safeguards should apply?
No ranting, no nastiness , just a straightforward debate.
Me? I’m anti. Too many miscarriages of justice have occurred. Read The Sun does Shine by Anthony Ray Hinton. I think life in prison (though with fewer privileges than they seem to get) would be torture enough (I get the cost argument but this is about punishment). Don’t get all biblical and “an eye for an eye”….i just feel killing another human is a fundamental wrong.
#2
Posted 29 January 2024 - 02:29 PM
#3
Posted 29 January 2024 - 02:43 PM
The nitrogen gassing sounds awful, I heard that the gas could cause the inmate to throw up inside the mask and they could well chose to death on their own vomit. Needs a rethink and, ideally, scrapping altogether.
#4
Posted 29 January 2024 - 02:45 PM
Westbars Spireite, on 29 January 2024 - 02:29 PM, said:
But if it was one of my family who they killed I’d hope for them to have a death like that.
#5
Posted 29 January 2024 - 02:47 PM
s42blue, on 29 January 2024 - 02:06 PM, said:
“I've been to four previous executions and I've never seen a condemned inmate thrash in the way that Kenneth Smith reacted to the nitrogen gas,", Alabama journalist Lee Hedgepeth told the BBC's Newsday programme.
"Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total."
Discuss. And if you agree by what method. What safeguards should apply?
No ranting, no nastiness , just a straightforward debate.
Me? I’m anti. Too many miscarriages of justice have occurred. Read The Sun does Shine by Anthony Ray Hinton. I think life in prison (though with fewer privileges than they seem to get) would be torture enough (I get the cost argument but this is about punishment). Don’t get all biblical and “an eye for an eye”….i just feel killing another human is a fundamental wrong.
Anti.
Too final.
And whilst it may quench the mob's desire for revenge - not arguing it's not deserved in some cases, either - it doesn't bring anyone back.
Then there's the hypocrisy of states saying 'Thou shalt not kill' but imposing the death penalty themselves.
Also consider criminals facing capital punishment having nothing to lose.
Chuck filth into the worst hell holes possible. Let them live out their lives in unmitigated misery rather than offer any easy way out...
This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 29 January 2024 - 02:48 PM
#6
Posted 29 January 2024 - 02:49 PM
#7
Posted 29 January 2024 - 03:04 PM
#8
Posted 29 January 2024 - 05:46 PM
Mr Mercury, on 29 January 2024 - 02:45 PM, said:
And me. Good grief we agree on something
SAVE A LIFE
#9
Posted 29 January 2024 - 05:52 PM
fishini, on 29 January 2024 - 05:46 PM, said:
If anything it would be too quick!
#10
Posted 29 January 2024 - 06:01 PM
#11
Posted 29 January 2024 - 06:40 PM
Goku, on 29 January 2024 - 06:01 PM, said:
No problem for me. DNA proof needed. How would you feel if the victim was your child?
SAVE A LIFE
#12
Posted 29 January 2024 - 06:50 PM
fishini, on 29 January 2024 - 06:40 PM, said:
Punishment should not take people’s personal very emotionally-driven response into the equation, the whole ‘how would you feel if it was your child’ thing doesn’t wash with me. If somebody punched my child in the face I’d want to stab them in the throat, doesn’t mean that’s a proportionate punishment.
This post has been edited by Goku: 29 January 2024 - 06:51 PM
#13
Posted 29 January 2024 - 07:31 PM
Goku, on 29 January 2024 - 06:50 PM, said:
Punching them in the face is different from taking their life.
#14
Posted 29 January 2024 - 09:16 PM
Anaesthetists find it quite easy to effectively kill people every day
#15
Posted 30 January 2024 - 07:44 AM
fishini, on 29 January 2024 - 06:40 PM, said:
Nah, too many cases of innocent people in prison
Then folk say “yeah but it’d have to 100% with absolutely no doubt “
But isn’t that always the case?
#16
Posted 30 January 2024 - 11:30 AM
This post has been edited by turrhall: 30 January 2024 - 11:31 AM
#18
Posted 30 January 2024 - 12:10 PM
Goku, on 30 January 2024 - 11:59 AM, said:
It’s not dictating punishment though, that is dictated by the law. The example I gave was that if someone had killed a member of my family I’d be rather glad they died like the recently executed man in Alabama, that’s an opinion of how they should die not an instruction.
#19
Posted 30 January 2024 - 12:17 PM
Mr Mercury, on 30 January 2024 - 12:10 PM, said:
I was replying to Fishini. He asked how would I feel about my child being a victim (I assume of murder). Answer, obviously furious and would want to hurt the person responsible however possible, however that doesn't mean I think the death penalty should apply or that it should be carried out in an inhumane manner, despite my hypothetical anger in said hypothetical scenario.
#20
Posted 30 January 2024 - 12:29 PM
Goku, on 30 January 2024 - 12:17 PM, said:
So basically we will all have two answers, the answer that involves us and the answer that has us on the outside.
For what is worth my option agrees with EoCs higher up, Incarcerate them forever but in the most bleak environment, sadly in todays world that’ll never happen, likewise the return of the death penalty, so I suppose we are left to envisage the punishment outcomes.