[Search & Destroy]

Northern link to be scrapped , will spend the money fixing pot holes in the North instead

Absolute shambles

This post has been edited by Search & Destroy: 02 October 2023 - 01:32 PM

[Goku]

#LevellingUp #TrustTheTories

[Mr Mercury]

“Reports are incorrect, no decision made” Govt spokesperson.

[CFC91]

Mr Mercury, on 02 October 2023 - 01:46 PM, said:

“Reports are incorrect, no decision made” Govt spokesperson.

The silence is pretty deafening, we all know what is coming

As someone who uses the rail network every week, it's a shambles and an embarrassment compared to most of Europe and even parts of Asia.

[isleaiw1]

CFC91, on 02 October 2023 - 02:02 PM, said:

The silence is pretty deafening, we all know what is coming

As someone who uses the rail network every week, it's a shambles and an embarrassment compared to most of Europe and even parts of Asia.

Agreed, but is the solution throwing lots of money at one new line or spending the same amount improving lots of lines?

I was led to believe that HS2 was less for the extra speed and more for the extra capacity so they could then start fixed the east coast line and the midlands route.

Stopping at Broad Oak would be even more ridiculous given how much they must have already spent extending the footprint at Euston to accommodate..

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Mr Mercury, on 02 October 2023 - 01:46 PM, said:

“Reports are incorrect, no decision made” Govt spokesperson.

That's GeeBeebies, but the far more professional Sky News are saying it's a gonner.

And what better metaphor for thirteen years of tory rule - a line to nowhere.

The rest of the world are laughing at us...

[calvin plummers socks]

isleaiw1, on 02 October 2023 - 02:29 PM, said:

Agreed, but is the solution throwing lots of money at one new line or spending the same amount improving lots of lines?

I was led to believe that HS2 was less for the extra speed and more for the extra capacity so they could then start fixed the east coast line and the midlands route.

Stopping at Broad Oak would be even more ridiculous given how much they must have already spent extending the footprint at Euston to accommodate..

And the trees cut down etc to accommodate etc

[ivansshuffle]

But what about all the’ Spades in the ground’

[Wooden Spoon]

ivansshuffle, on 02 October 2023 - 03:35 PM, said:

But what about all the’ Spades in the ground’

It’s only worth building if you build all of it. Build all of it and you could be from Canary Wharf or Heathrow to Manchester in two hours - A link from Birmingham to London is Going to cost billions and return very little - it would only save 15-20 mins. And if it only goes as far as Old Oak Common and not Euston then by the time you’ve transferred onto another line you have saved no travel time at all - making it utterly and totally pointless.


I think if this is announced, then the phrase “cutting your losses” would be apt- mothball the project and spend it up grading east/west rail links.

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 October 2023 - 02:57 PM, said:

That's GeeBeebies, but the far more professional Sky News are saying it's a gonner.

And what better metaphor for thirteen years of tory rule - a line to nowhere.

The rest of the world are laughing at us...

The report was on SkyNews, we all know it’s happening but I was just clarifying the OP.

[calvin plummers socks]

isleaiw1, on 02 October 2023 - 02:29 PM, said:

Agreed, but is the solution throwing lots of money at one new line or spending the same amount improving lots of lines?

I was led to believe that HS2 was less for the extra speed and more for the extra capacity so they could then start fixed the east coast line and the midlands route.

Stopping at Broad Oak would be even more ridiculous given how much they must have already spent extending the footprint at Euston to accommodate..

And the trees cut down etc to accommodate etc

[Holmesc1]

The fact is morocco and countries like them have half a dozen high speed lines the uk has 1 sure points to a need for more, save journey times a little but more for extra capacity for freight and local services but surely the line will have to reach euston otherise folk will just continue to use the existing birmingham to london service as it takes them straight to euston. Bulk of uk rail still has victorian infastructure and folk dont want high speed lines. to all those pro labour supporters on here, alot of torys are also deeply against it been scrapped

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 October 2023 - 02:57 PM, said:

That's GeeBeebies, but the far more professional Sky News are saying it's a gonner.

And what better metaphor for thirteen years of tory rule - a line to nowhere.

The rest of the world are laughing at us...

I suppose it would have been built by now had labour been in power

This post has been edited by Holmesc1: 02 October 2023 - 05:54 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

calvin plummers socks, on 02 October 2023 - 05:12 PM, said:

And the trees cut down etc to accommodate etc

Why do you have to be such a tvvat?

[Wooden Spoon]

Holmesc1, on 02 October 2023 - 05:53 PM, said:

The fact is morocco and countries like them have half a dozen high speed lines the uk has 1 sure points to a need for more, save journey times a little but more for extra capacity for freight and local services but surely the line will have to reach euston otherise folk will just continue to use the existing birmingham to london service as it takes them straight to euston. Bulk of uk rail still has victorian infastructure and folk dont want high speed lines. to all those pro labour supporters on here, alot of torys are also deeply against it been scrapped


I suppose it would have been built by now had labour been in power

Spot on

We’ve a railway that is based on Victorian infrastructure, but demand 21st century performance while trying to impose 1980’s Thatcherite financial controls m

[clarevoyant.]

Holmesc1, on 02 October 2023 - 05:53 PM, said:

The fact is morocco and countries like them have half a dozen high speed lines the uk has 1 sure points to a need for more, save journey times a little but more for extra capacity for freight and local services but surely the line will have to reach euston otherise folk will just continue to use the existing birmingham to london service as it takes them straight to euston. Bulk of uk rail still has victorian infastructure and folk dont want high speed lines. to all those pro labour supporters on here, alot of torys are also deeply against it been scrapped

Perhaps before using Morocco has an example you should consider the geography

[SocraticCFC]

Wooden Spoon, on 02 October 2023 - 06:24 PM, said:

Spot on

We've a railway that is based on Victorian infrastructure, but demand 21st century performance while trying to impose 1980's Thatcherite financial controls m

The key question is why over £100bn when original cost stated as 35 billion or thereabouts? I suspect it's like the PPE scandal - Tory mates, inflated contracts etc.
This really has made us a laughing stock, not only in our own country but elsewhere. Seven Bins Sunak said he would be spending some of the money on pot holes instead.


Back on BR days, they were given a budget and they got it done - unlike all this political medalling from people who have been educated beyond their intelligence.


This is the govt that gave us value for money SMART motorways and look at the mess that's created.
Too much ego and not enough get on with it


Kick 'em out

[SocraticCFC]

Wooden Spoon, on 02 October 2023 - 06:24 PM, said:

Spot on

We've a railway that is based on Victorian infrastructure, but demand 21st century performance while trying to impose 1980's Thatcherite financial controls m

The key question is why over £100bn when original cost stated as 35 billion or thereabouts? I suspect it's like the PPE scandal - Tory mates, inflated contracts etc.
This really has made us a laughing stock, not only in our own country but elsewhere. Seven Bins Sunak said he would be spending some of the money on pot holes instead.


Back on BR days, they were given a budget and they got it done - unlike all this political medalling from people who have been educated beyond their intelligence.


This is the govt that gave us value for money SMART motorways and look at the mess that's created.
Too much ego and not enough get on with it


Kick 'em out

[Mr Mercury]

Well the scrapping of the Newton spur on the Birmingham-Leeds Northern Route cost me £15k.

[calvin plummers socks]

Wooden Spoon, on 02 October 2023 - 06:20 PM, said:

Why do you have to be such a tvvat?

Are you crazy? Did you see the issues it caused building stuff?
Not heard of operation black watch?

[Holmesc1]

SocraticCFC, on 02 October 2023 - 07:57 PM, said:

The key question is why over £100bn when original cost stated as 35 billion or thereabouts? I suspect it's like the PPE scandal - Tory mates, inflated contracts etc.
This really has made us a laughing stock, not only in our own country but elsewhere. Seven Bins Sunak said he would be spending some of the money on pot holes instead.


Back on BR days, they were given a budget and they got it done - unlike all this political medalling from people who have been educated beyond their intelligence.


This is the govt that gave us value for money SMART motorways and look at the mess that's created.
Too much ego and not enough get on with it


Kick 'em out

More railways been built since br was abolished so not really a comparison there