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The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 May 2024 - 10:45 AM, said:

Just remember you havent won the first one yet... I read this morning that Hunt the **** wants to cut taxes for higher earners, now deciding that the 60% band between 100k and 125k is unreasonable - no *** Sherlock, how come you didnt spot that when in power. Reeves wants to cut taxes for workers - great, where is the money coming from given all the new stuff they are doing...

Truss' unfunded budget might be small fry if any of them keep their promises..

By the way, on the waste of money front, every MP employs their own team so the calling of an election means all of them get made redundant.. and then the new MP picks their own. Madness, why not have constituency teams that work for the constituency and have some continuity on handover. All the case files that are in play get closed, so if you had a complaint or issue in your MP was dealing with and they dont win the election, you will be starting again...including any of the dozens that are standing down!

I think Truss and Sunak are probably decent sorts and pretty intelligent, just not great at politics rather than doing the right thing. Reeves is telling everyone she understands the economy as she worked at the BoE - at a time when the BoE is getting slated from all sides for not being on top of its job...

I think its like the Cup Final... can the ref win!

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 May 2024 - 06:28 AM, said:

The Lib Dems arent going to win and nor are Reform so I'm less bothered by their policies and ideas currently, the same can probably be said of the Tories. I am bothered about Labour as they are likely to be the biggest party and so far are saying vote for us for change but everything to do with finances will be the same and stable.... so I'm confused...

No anti Labour prejudice, they are the party I have voted more for in my life than any other. But if they are going to win I want them to be chosen for what they will do not ABC (anyone but conservative, thanks s42!)

so what I want to know is how will they solve the NHS, how will they appoint all these new teachers, where will the wonderful new border force come from that will be so different from the existing one - and how will they pay for it all given the country has the highest tax take ever and we are pretty broke...

And yes pensions are relevant because the govt is paying for them for a select few - and we cant afford it... and yet we are going to appoint loads more people to jobs that get them....but we arent going to bankrupt the country...

Comments on the others? Reform are just bigots, I dont even listen to what Farage says. Have the Lib Dems started campaigning yet, Davey is useless and will never make inroads as he has no personality. I'd rather Daisy Cooper was given the limelight.... As for Reece Mogg, hopefully he loses and then we dont have to hear him slagging off his own because he didnt get his own way.

As for the Tories being in this mess because they got rid of Boris, they are in this mess because they ever appointed him. Lazy, untrustworthy, soundbite leadership with no consideration for the wider impact of what he was doing. Sunak was on a hiding to nothing as Truss showed. It will do them good to watch from the side for a bit whilst they get their principles and ideas back. Labour have had 14 years to do that and yet all I see is "you can trust us, we will do popular things, but we wont be financially irresponsible but we cant tell you where the money will come from. The one number I have heard - from VAT on private schools - is pie in the sky because if the schools pass on the fee increase then there will be a rush to state schools - numbers starting private school already down as a result of the risk. I'd say that will be unlikely to raise any noticeable money... so black hole number 1....

As for my vote, almost certainly tactical. We have a Tory MP who has been in seat for years, a very active Labour candidate (who does a lot of talking to train companies it seems, very important down here), and I havent heard from anyone else yet... so will see what the options are on the day. Its great having freedom of choice, listening to what they say, challenging what they dont.... as someone earlier said, the days of voting for a party because my grandad did are over for most...

Blue roan lily, on 24 May 2024 - 07:12 PM, said:

Pretty much what someone wrote in the Telegraph today, not a nats breath between them in their economic policies and as we have zero money, the only way we can generate more is to get the economy growing again, and none of their policies will do that...

Maybe we need Liz back

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 24 May 2024 - 04:04 PM, said:

adding new bits but ignoring the challenges laid down, really does think he is a politician this EoC chap!

Could you post links to the Tory MPs endorsing Farage... and outline which ones are standing again...

dart in the crossbar, on 24 May 2024 - 08:53 AM, said:

No, I think you should do what is right at the time and best for the country. But I wasnt the one slagging another party for doing that...

So far, I've preferred the bits when they say we cant afford that to the bits where they randomly have ideas to solve problems as though everyone before them was stupid and its an easy problem to solve, that smacks of naievety.

(On tuition fees, I'd rather we kept them and you paid them back regardless, might stop people going for 3 years of partying that does nothing to improve their job prospects!)