National League
#1
Posted 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,
#2
Posted 24 September 2018 - 04:49 PM
#3
Posted 24 September 2018 - 05:33 PM
spireman, on 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,
that is a very measured post. i thought we would do better than this, the national league has so far lived up to what many fans of other clubs who'd dropped had predicted it would be, seem to recall tranmmere fan posting something on here in the summer; there is little by way of quality on show, half the time the games feel like pre-season friendlies due to lack of atmosphere from away fans and yes it really does kick you in the privates when you find yourself losing to these teams. I hate this experience.
#4
Posted 24 September 2018 - 05:35 PM
spireman, on 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,
Shouldn’t be much of a transition for the players as most have come from that level
#5
Posted 24 September 2018 - 06:17 PM
Never in my worst nightmares did I expect to be in this position at the end of September.
Joke league Leyton Orient being top, they looked absolute dogs droppings but still beat us.
Think it’s going to take a Lincolnesque rebuild to get promoted out this league, meaning new board, new manager and new side. Think it took them 5 years to get back up.
#6
Posted 24 September 2018 - 06:27 PM
spireman, on 24 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:
Leyton Orient last year was thier first in this league and by the first round of the cup they had won 4 drawn 3 and lost
9 including 6-1 at Bromley and 3-0 at home to Halifax.
Doesnt excuse Saturdays performance but is a example of how difficult the transition to non league is especially for the
fans,
Didn't it take a few changes in management to sort it out, as with the likes of Hartlepool and Tranmere?
#7
Posted 24 September 2018 - 06:59 PM
#8
Posted 24 September 2018 - 08:10 PM
#9
Posted 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM
Essex_Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:
But first they were sold to a major money backed consortium, led by a long standing fan and CEO of a nationwide business.
This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM
#10
Posted 24 September 2018 - 10:02 PM
60s 70s Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:
That happened in the summer. Steve Davis was appointment and a few months later after a dismal run of 17 games without a win he was sacked. They now have Justin Edinburgh in charge and well...are top.
#11
Posted 25 September 2018 - 03:44 AM
#13
Posted 25 September 2018 - 07:48 AM
60s 70s Spireite, on 24 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:
We need to follow suit.
#14
Posted 25 September 2018 - 09:02 AM
MacSpire, on 24 September 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:
MA is our new manager though.
#15
Posted 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM
Unless the club is sold to someone with access to money and is prepared to bankroll it, the problems are still going to be there and there won't be any decent players coming in whilst a new owner struggles to balance the books. One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.
The last thing we want is a Brealey-type deal whereby DA retains an interest in the club and the debt to him remains a millstone whilst we struggle to keep heads above water. I don't want DA in charge of this club at all but be careful what we wish for - if we're blind to the financial reality of a failing business any sale may be the true death of the club.
#16
Posted 25 September 2018 - 10:29 AM
Phil V 72, on 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:
Some people would argue that that is precisely the action that shouldn't happen. Is there a direct correlation between the budget and relegation? Is there a direct correlation between relegation and reduced income? It's a deadly spiral that can only be averted by the allocation of a sensible budget, not a minimal one.
#17
Posted 25 September 2018 - 10:51 AM
dim view, on 25 September 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:
Well, I'm led to believe that in L2 we had a 'top 10' budget and we must still have a decent one by NL standards, so a good budget is no guarantee of success. I'd suggest a reasonable budget has been allocated (at last) but it's how that budget is spent that is crucial. If we want this club to be sold to the right sort of people, making us more self sufficient must be a good thing
#18
Posted 25 September 2018 - 11:02 AM
Phil V 72, on 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:
Unless the club is sold to someone with access to money and is prepared to bankroll it, the problems are still going to be there and there won't be any decent players coming in whilst a new owner struggles to balance the books. One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.
The last thing we want is a Brealey-type deal whereby DA retains an interest in the club and the debt to him remains a millstone whilst we struggle to keep heads above water. I don't want DA in charge of this club at all but be careful what we wish for - if we're blind to the financial reality of a failing business any sale may be the true death of the club.
I expect that is the net bill not including the severance pay costs for the released players
#19
Posted 25 September 2018 - 11:09 AM
Phil V 72, on 25 September 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:
Unless the club is sold to someone with access to money and is prepared to bankroll it, the problems are still going to be there and there won't be any decent players coming in whilst a new owner struggles to balance the books. One note of optimism is Martin Allen's statement the other week that he has shaved £1.3m off the wage bill. These are the sorts of actions that need to happen to make the club suitable for sale, but it could take many years to get the years of financial mismanagment out of our system and make us a viable business.
The last thing we want is a Brealey-type deal whereby DA retains an interest in the club and the debt to him remains a millstone whilst we struggle to keep heads above water. I don't want DA in charge of this club at all but be careful what we wish for - if we're blind to the financial reality of a failing business any sale may be the true death of the club.
A well reasoned and very sensible post, a refreshing change from the lining DA's pockets rants.
I wish more fans could get the concept of it takes serious money to run a football club. It would appear fair to say that we have wasted more than most and questions remain unanswered, managerial appointments have proved very costly, but I dont for one minute think the powers to be deliberately cocked these up !
All of us crave a well run club owned by sensible fans and living within our means.
#20
Posted 25 September 2018 - 11:25 AM
Close but no prawn sarnies, on 25 September 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:
I wish more fans could get the concept of it takes serious money to run a football club. It would appear fair to say that we have wasted more than most and questions remain unanswered, managerial appointments have proved very costly, but I dont for one minute think the powers to be deliberately cocked these up !
All of us crave a well run club owned by sensible fans and living within our means.
Why has the club not been run to give it every chance of treading water or even to make a profit? We are not talking about a few months of mismanagement this has been going on for years.