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  1. In Topic: General Election It Is Then...

    Today, 02:21 PM

     calvin plummers socks, on 12 June 2024 - 01:13 PM, said:

    That was Sunak wasn?t it


    Originated, I think, from Sunak doing a boring 'people should cut back on Sky TV' line in an interview
  2. In Topic: General Election It Is Then...

    Today, 12:58 PM

    Big news today from the fearless British journos is Keir Starmer revealing (shockingly) that he grew up without Sky TV. That he was 27 when it first became available is by-the-by of course.
  3. In Topic: Putin..

    Today, 12:30 PM

     isleaiw1, on 11 June 2024 - 08:04 PM, said:

    The world is tough. When times are tough we turn in and turn our backs on others, when life is better we are more generous and prepared to help...

    In my opinion...


    Also correct (at least in my opinion also) and why capital's constant boom and bust cycle works to cling onto power. If a society is spending 90% of it's time in recession, or working it's way out of recession, there is no time, resources, or political will to improve anything. We all live our lives on the whim of the line - does it go up, does it go down. Can things change for the better? Unfortunately the line says 'no'.
  4. In Topic: Putin..

    Today, 12:26 PM

     The Earl of Chesterfield, on 11 June 2024 - 08:07 PM, said:

    As Tony Benn so often asserted, people turn to the Right during troubled times...


    Correct - right-wing politics cut through more effectively during economically-hard times. Centrists promise the world to get elected, improve nothing, leave the working class worse off, and that produces the environment for anti-[insert minority group here] rhetoric to come to the fore. It's something Yanis Varoufakis said in an interview this week in reference to Macron and Le Pen, and is something that we see borne out as we cycle between the two over time - and whether you like YV's personal politics or not, he's not wrong on this.
  5. In Topic: Jerusalem

    09 June 2024 - 06:42 PM

     Misnomer, on 09 June 2024 - 05:51 PM, said:

    Eh? So, the 'different number' isn't revised, it's just a different number? Blimey, you should be in politics, pal. Did you do the COVID data for the BBC?

    Yeah, Goku's link, 25 pages into Google 👍🏿

    For starters, all figures are supplied by Hamas, and not based on independent data. However, the new figures offer a breakdown of fatalities, for whom full details have been documented.

    The new figures reported by the UN OCHA, reduce by more than half the number of women and children that it previously said had been killed.

    Apparently, Hamas don't supply death figures for combatants....but, from data supplied by Hamas to the UN, 'identified' registered deaths stood at: women (4.959) and children (7,797), or 52% of all deaths, from a revised total of 24'000 identified deaths. A 52% and 53% respective reduction for women and children, from the original figure of 34'000 total deaths, supplied by Hamas media sources. Meaning, approximately 11'000 of the dead are men; twice the amount of the women.

    I mean, if you want to and, earring on the side of caution; you could conclude that a fair whack of those 11'000 men are likely to be Hamas terrorist combatants. Indeed, the IDF have suggested they've killed around 16'000 Hamas terrorists.... either that, or they are not the almighty army everyone is making them out to be. And that's where 1:1 ratio is concluded. You could also argue that the revised figures published by UN OCHA, only lead us to conclude that their previously published figures were unreliable at best, and false being the most likely outcome. That's what I've done. But, then again, I'm not an antisemitic 🇮🇱🇬🇧

    From the UN regarding Hamas supplied data:

    ?United Nations teams in Gaza are unable to independently verify these figures, given the prevailing situation on the ground and the sheer number of fatalities. For this reason, all figures used by the UN clearly cite the Ministry of Health in Gaza as the source. The UN will verify these figures to the extent possible when conditions permit.?

    What I find most disturbing is, people who are more than happy to identify with and support figures supplied by an appalling terrorist regime, that are not independently verified....just weird, very weird.


    The 'revised' number is identified dead. Not total casualties. It's not a difficult concept.

    Funny that you're willing to accept Israel's numbers are being correct, but not Hamas' - by your logic neither are 'independent'.

    Even if Israel's numbers were correct, is 30k dead Palestians acceptable?

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