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frearsghost, on 31 December 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:
Some good points but the class war rhetoric closes too many doors for me.
I have no envy of the rich and privileged. I don't see them as the enemy. The real enemy can be ideologies from all social classes and political parties. I don't discriminate.
Many working class voters didn't overthrow the establishment. My point was, they overthrew their ideas.
I won't be joining in the establishment attack on Farage. He achieved the impossible. He, almost single handily, took on the entire European establishment and won. Where else could he do that but from Brussels? He said he did so, not for aggrandisement but to get his country back. It would be churlish not to recognise his achievement.
He was metal trader not a stockbroker. There's nothing pejorative about these occupations and I don't agree with
your implicit comment, that being wealthy and privileged disqualifies one from being moral, philanthropic or patriotic. Wealth is sometimes necessary for these things but not sufficient. Some of the most ruthless dictators were born in poverty.
On LBC this morning, an RMT spokesman quoted his rule book stating their priority is to overthrow the government and install a socialist one. Not helpful. I support the freedom of the right to withdraw one's labour
but should like to see legislation that guarantees that, albeit with 'responsibility' clauses.
Happy new year Chris.
I have no envy of the rich and privileged. I don't see them as the enemy. The real enemy can be ideologies from all social classes and political parties. I don't discriminate.
Many working class voters didn't overthrow the establishment. My point was, they overthrew their ideas.
I won't be joining in the establishment attack on Farage. He achieved the impossible. He, almost single handily, took on the entire European establishment and won. Where else could he do that but from Brussels? He said he did so, not for aggrandisement but to get his country back. It would be churlish not to recognise his achievement.
He was metal trader not a stockbroker. There's nothing pejorative about these occupations and I don't agree with
your implicit comment, that being wealthy and privileged disqualifies one from being moral, philanthropic or patriotic. Wealth is sometimes necessary for these things but not sufficient. Some of the most ruthless dictators were born in poverty.
On LBC this morning, an RMT spokesman quoted his rule book stating their priority is to overthrow the government and install a socialist one. Not helpful. I support the freedom of the right to withdraw one's labour
but should like to see legislation that guarantees that, albeit with 'responsibility' clauses.
Happy new year Chris.
The establishment or their ideas haven't been overthrown at all, either here or in the USA. To think that Farage & Trump aren't part of the establishment elite is frankly ridiculous. An ex stockbroker & a billionaire are not going to create a more equal society or defend the working classes. They are exploiters extraordinaire. And while it is no bad thing to be free of that neoliberal bastion, the EU, it is a tragedy that the people in charge of Brexit happen to be toxic right wing nut jobs who serve their class with utter devotion.
Oh & by the way those who believe the class war is ongoing are not envious of the rich. That my friend is just sh/te spouted by apologists for the status quo.
