[azul]

Another climb down from Bozo over school meals.

Luckily Rashford has ok’d Bozo’s idea. Nice to see him seeking Rashford’s permission though

[Westbars Spireite]

 azul, on 08 November 2020 - 12:30 PM, said:

Another climb down from Bozo over school meals.

Luckily Rashford has ok’d Bozo’s idea. Nice to see him seeking Rashford’s permission though

Rashford has, without once saying anything remotely personal, absolutely schooled Johnson on this.

A young black man from a broken family in the north to boot.

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[azul]

 Westbars Spireite, on 08 November 2020 - 12:42 PM, said:

Rashford has, without once saying anything remotely personal, absolutely schooled Johnson on this.

A young black man from a broken family in the north to boot.

Well he’s trying to get something meaningful, so it’s better for him not to, no matter what feels.

Rashford certainly smashes the negative stereotypes of people from his background. Looks like he’s been brought up properly

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[Blue5]

 Westbars Spireite, on 08 November 2020 - 12:29 PM, said:

Or alternatively those who aren't are generally comfortable and protective of what they have.

Yep. Kids, family, house, job and prospects are all good reasons to stick to the right side of the law.

[Westbars Spireite]

 azul, on 08 November 2020 - 01:27 PM, said:

Well he’s trying to get something meaningful, so it’s better for him not to, no matter what feels.

Rashford certainly smashes the negative stereotypes of people from his background. Looks like he’s been brought up properly

Absolutely. I makes it all the more powerful.

I dread to think of the private words used by our PM.

His favourite - ‘Picaninnie’ might be out the locker for starters.

[isleaiw1]

 Blue5, on 08 November 2020 - 11:49 AM, said:

I'm assuming a criminal record would put your employment as an accountant at risk together with limiting your future career prospects?

Those who are willing to push the boundaries and break the law generally have little to lose by doing so.

Indeed, lots of rules around my professional membership and even more ab=round my suitability to be a director.

And yes, generally rules are more well thought of by those who are protected by them.... I refer to my earlier post on going to prison if our employees dont stick to them!

[Misnomer]

 DEATH, on 08 November 2020 - 01:58 AM, said:

HB.


Look at your post. It’s informative. Your a bright lad, just step back a little now and than. Labour could do well to use intelligent folk like you, who have the capability to be objective.




“If you believe in brexit, there was only one party to vote for”. Very true. Huge areas of traditional Labour territory voted leave. The party pledged to honour that referendum. In Westminster political set tried everything to block brexit, for many reasons.




Both sides, the ERG and remainers from all parties, Anna Soubry for example, Tory mp. Anger among the silent majority. The vocal minority lobby people like her and she goes on question time saying 2/3rds of her constituency support remain or a people’s vote. And she believed it, and so did labour because they don’t speak to, it listen the normal folk. And look what happened.




Then Boris gets his election. His advisors did listen, they tapped into the real mood of the public. His position was clear. GET BREXIT DONE.




Labour had Thornbury and others STILL campaigning for a people’s vote.YOU were smart enough to say, half the electorate will go apeshyte if they don’t implement it. If a young lad from town is shrewd enough to see this, why not the Labour Party? Because they don’t listen, they dictate. Browns “that bigoted woman” never mind if they had issues in her area, she’s a bigot. The issues don’t matter.




The leader himself saying he’d for a people’s vote, but would say if he supported it or not. Labour politicians saying “no one voted to be poorer”. No we didn’t, but we still voted leave so respect it. “Kinnock the younger” saying the “people didn’t know what they voted for, “yes, we did, we voted leave. So respect it. Then we had the likes of Abbott and long Bailey on the front bench. Jeez.



They had madcap schemes like installing free fibre broadband for everyone, based on borrowing. When we have broadband anyway.




Mixed messages, conflicting statements from different members of the front bench.




Saying hey, look what these tosses are lying about now is irrelevant- sayining look how good an alternative we can offer, much more positive.




Corona. Every opportunity to help, to offer to work WITH Boris should have been offered, even to the point off offering to form a government of national unity. Being seen to be proactive in times of crisis goes a long way. It could also have helped avert some of the terrible blunders made under the current regime, and if rejected then hey they can say we offered to help in the interests of the nation........much better than perhaps being seems as sniping from the sidelines with the benefit of hindsight




Anyone who thinks this pandemic will damage the tories might be mistaken. They will say things like “no European nation got it right, Belgium, France, Spain etc” all made mistakes and no one had a manual to work too. We made difficult decisions. We furloughed staff to project jobs. We tried to protect people while we tried to protect jobs and livelihoods. And it will carry some weight. If he’s clever, this crisis could turn out to be as useful to Boris as the Falkland war was to thatcher. And he has some shrewd unscrupulous advisors.




Simply bitching about how bad the nasty party are just won’t work, it won’t appeal to enough people.




Labour need to be proactive, positive,sensible, centre ground and appeal to as many people as possible to get the blue out, not appeal to the minority audience who are already on board.




As I’ve said many times, there’s a reason “old labour” have not been in power for almost 50 years. Until the Labour Party understand why this is, they won’t be in power for another 50 years.





In fact, in a decade or a little more, you could end up seeing the Green Party replace them.

Anyone who thinks this pandemic will damage the tories might be mistaken. They will say things like “no European nation got it right, Belgium, France, Spain etc” all made mistakes and no one had a manual to work too. We made difficult decisions. We furloughed staff to project jobs. We tried to protect people while we tried to protect jobs and livelihoods. And it will carry some weight. If he’s clever, this crisis could turn out to be as useful to Boris as the Falkland war was to thatcher. And he has some shrewd unscrupulous advisors.

Absolutely agree with you, every sentence.

[Johnnyspireite7]

 Misnomer, on 09 November 2020 - 02:43 AM, said:

Anyone who thinks this pandemic will damage the tories might be mistaken. They will say things like “no European nation got it right, Belgium, France, Spain etc” all made mistakes and no one had a manual to work too. We made difficult decisions. We furloughed staff to project jobs. We tried to protect people while we tried to protect jobs and livelihoods. And it will carry some weight. If he’s clever, this crisis could turn out to be as useful to Boris as the Falkland war was to thatcher. And he has some shrewd unscrupulous advisors.

Absolutely agree with you, every sentence.

Doubt this will be Bozo's Falklands, there's at least another 3 years to the next election by law so much more time for him to screw up even further whereas The Bitch got lucky and it was the following year to the next election and she was up against the only Labour leader who was more unelectable than Corby in Foot.

[Search & Destroy]

This free school dinner business really is nonsense

Kids get free dinners, the clue is in the name “School Dinners”

Should there be a campaign for every Saturday and Sunday too?

Benefits system is more than generous

[calvin plummers socks]

 Search and Destroy, on 09 November 2020 - 07:46 AM, said:

This free school dinner business really is nonsense

Kids get free dinners, the clue is in the name “School Dinners”

Should there be a campaign for every Saturday and Sunday too?

Benefits system is more than generous

I thought you said All Lives Matter?

[Search & Destroy]

 calvin plummers socks, on 09 November 2020 - 08:52 AM, said:

I thought you said All Lives Matter?

Are you suggesting kids are dying of starvation outside term time?

[calvin plummers socks]

 Search and Destroy, on 09 November 2020 - 09:03 AM, said:

Are you suggesting kids are dying of starvation outside term time?

Of course - have you not heard of poverty and malnutrition? It’s only going to get worse with people losing jobs etc.

Only you could think that feeding kids is a bad thing

[Search & Destroy]

Find me an example (just one) of a child in receipt of free school meals dying of starvation in the holidays please

If wasters of parents can’t be bothered to feed their kids because they are blowing their benefits on something else I can’t see giving them another £20 a week making a blind bit of difference

Tin of beans is 29p, plus three slices of toast, on benefits of £100s a week, ffs people need to get a grip

The benefits system is already in place and is generous, the money is already being paid under other guises

It’s more political bullshido

[Wooden Spoon]

Johnnyspireite7 said:

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Doubt this will be Bozo's Falklands, there's at least another 3 years to the next election by law so much more time for him to screw up even further whereas The Bitch got lucky and it was the following year to the next election and she was up against the only Labour leader who was more unelectable than Corby in Foot.

Perhaps it’s not the best analogy granted. But he could, or rather, the Tory party will use this crisis, one not of their making they will say, to cover all negative outcomes. It’s potentially a great shield,for them.



I’m kinda hoping that Boris just makes enough f*** ups,to lose the election but not quite enough for the parliamentary party to make a move against him.

[isleaiw1]

 DEATH, on 09 November 2020 - 11:19 AM, said:

Perhaps it’s not the best analogy granted. But he could, or rather, the Tory party will use this crisis, one not of their making they will say, to cover all negative outcomes. It’s potentially a great shield,for them.



I’m kinda hoping that Boris just makes enough f*** ups,to lose the election but not quite enough for the parliamentary party to make a move against him.

He will be off by spring, needs to get his memoirs out whilst covid is still topical, the PM who managed through the worst global pandemic, nearly lost his life for the cause, blah blah, he will make millions and dwarf both Cameron and Blair's returns - which is what matters to him....

If Gove or Hunt get the gig, the Tories will then be unelectable based on their prior history... should be a walk in the park then for SKS and if he cant win then Labour have no hope in their current guise...

[mr. smith]

 isleaiw1, on 09 November 2020 - 12:14 PM, said:

He will be off by spring, needs to get his memoirs out whilst covid is still topical, the PM who managed through the worst global pandemic, nearly lost his life for the cause, blah blah, he will make millions and dwarf both Cameron and Blair's returns - which is what matters to him....

If Gove or Hunt get the gig, the Tories will then be unelectable based on their prior history... should be a walk in the park then for SKS and if he cant win then Labour have no hope in their current guise...

that's where my money would be.
backed by the mail & has already started distancing himself from covid policy.
hunt not in cabinet so doubt he would get the gig.
raab, hancock, pitel? seriously??
sunak? think the furlough scheme will count against him in the tory party.

[azul]

 mr. smith, on 09 November 2020 - 12:19 PM, said:

that's where my money would be.
backed by the mail & has already started distancing himself from covid policy.
hunt not in cabinet so doubt he would get the gig.
raab, hancock, pitel? seriously??
sunak? think the furlough scheme will count against him in the tory party.

Unless they have someone we’ve never heard of, it is Gove, with Sunak trailing by a furlough

t could be the thing that might actually save Bozo

[calvin plummers socks]

 Search and Destroy, on 09 November 2020 - 09:21 AM, said:

Find me an example (just one) of a child in receipt of free school meals dying of starvation in the holidays please

If wasters of parents can’t be bothered to feed their kids because they are blowing their benefits on something else I can’t see giving them another £20 a week making a blind bit of difference

Tin of beans is 29p, plus three slices of toast, on benefits of £100s a week, ffs people need to get a grip

The benefits system is already in place and is generous, the money is already being paid under other guises

It’s more political bullshido

It’s not political at all- Rashford was acting out of his beliefs and his subsequent actions have shown that.
It was the tories who made it political in what was the biggest own goal since Lewis Dunks last disaster.
Completely failing to understand the nation’s feelings (don’t mess with kids or animals).

[mr. smith]

 azul, on 09 November 2020 - 02:47 PM, said:

Unless they have someone we’ve never heard of, it is Gove, with Sunak trailing by a furlough

t could be the thing that might actually save Bozo

nah. they'll get shut of bozo so an subsequent investigations into covid failings can be laid at his door.

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw1 said:

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He will be off by spring, needs to get his memoirs out whilst covid is still topical, the PM who managed through the worst global pandemic, nearly lost his life for the cause, blah blah, he will make millions and dwarf both Cameron and Blair's returns - which is what matters to him....

If Gove or Hunt get the gig, the Tories will then be unelectable based on their prior history... should be a walk in the park then for SKS and if he cant win then Labour have no hope in their current guise...

You think our floppy haired leader will resign?