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"The players should take a long, hard look at themselves..."

#1 User is offline   Balearic Mac 

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 11:40 AM

I seem to recall our beleaguered manager saying something along those lines in the aftermath of our most recent reversal.

Obviously he is suggesting they are not carrying out his instructions.

In my experience, ignoring a gaffer's advice may come about for a variety of reasons, among them:

The instructions are unclear and therefore not successfully implemented
The instructions have never actually been issued
The instructions are so daft that the consensus is they are best ignored
The instructions are fine but the person issuing them is a plank, so they are routinely ignored in any case
There are no meaningful repercussions should said instructions be ignored so why take the trouble

Obviously this list is far from exhaustive. I just wonder whether any of the above could be relevant to our current predicament given that the same problems seemingly crop up like a recurring nightmare...
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 12:24 PM

Could it be that the players are understanding the instructions but they are the planks that cannot perform the instructions when out on the pitch?
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 12:35 PM

View PostAlex Green, on Oct 3 2008, 01:24 PM, said:

Could it be that the players are understanding the instructions but they are the planks that cannot perform the instructions when out on the pitch?

Maybe they have no faith in the manager and dont want to help him keep his job?
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:06 PM

View PostBugerov, on Oct 3 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

Maybe they have no faith in the manager and dont want to help him keep his job?


Ding ding ding we have a winner.

Can anyone honestly say that it looks like the players are fighting for Richardson?
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:07 PM

View PostTown_Fan, on Oct 3 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

Can anyone honestly say that it looks like the players are fighting for Richardson?



Would you want to play for someone that constantly plays you out of position?
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:07 PM

View Postlesleycfc, on Oct 3 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

Would you want to play for someone that constantly plays you out of position?


I dont disagree with that.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:09 PM

View PostTown_Fan, on Oct 3 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

I dont disagree with that.


Or poorer players ahead of you. Eg Gregor Robertson!
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:34 PM

View Postlesleycfc, on Oct 3 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

Or poorer players ahead of you. Eg Gregor Robertson!


i take it he's not your cup of tea??
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:41 PM

View PostAlex Green, on Oct 3 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

i take it he's not your cup of tea??


Erm.. no!
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:59 PM

Seems to be the same type of excuses every week...

as I've said many times before. The man has to take some responsibility himself at some point.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:35 PM

View Postlesleycfc, on Oct 3 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

Erm.. no!


Personally i wouldnt single Gregor out of the bunch, but we all have our opinions. Played in the right position i think he is an effective player, e.g. away at Barnet first game when he played on the left in front of Goodall.

Both played well, overlapping and getting forward, while covering for the other when needed.

I'd be interested to know how many times during his tenure as manager Rico has had a run of 3 games without any changes.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:42 PM

View PostJohnnyUtah, on Oct 3 2008, 03:35 PM, said:

Personally i wouldnt single Gregor out of the bunch, but we all have our opinions. Played in the right position i think he is an effective player, e.g. away at Barnet first game when he played on the left in front of Goodall.

Both played well, overlapping and getting forward, while covering for the other when needed.

I'd be interested to know how many times during his tenure as manager Rico has had a run of 3 games without any changes.


I was picking him out of the bunch as an example of a player that gets played out of position....
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:46 PM

View Postlesleycfc, on Oct 3 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

Would you want to play for someone that constantly plays you out of position?


Yet another comment from les I agree with 100%. The only place Lowry hasn't played yet is in net. Ridiculous; the players are sick of him.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:46 PM

View Postlesleycfc, on Oct 3 2008, 03:42 PM, said:

I was picking him out of the bunch as an example of a player that gets played out of position....

i think he is naturally a midfielder than a defender. Looked far better at left mid than left back
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:50 PM

View PostDijon, on Oct 3 2008, 03:46 PM, said:

Yet another comment from les I agree with 100%. The only place Lowry hasn't played yet is in net. Ridiculous; the players are sick of him.

Really, how do you know?
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:16 PM

View Postlesleycfc, on Oct 3 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

Erm.. no!


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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:19 PM

View PostBalearic Mac, on Oct 3 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

I seem to recall our beleaguered manager saying something along those lines in the aftermath of our most recent reversal.

Obviously he is suggesting they are not carrying out his instructions.

In my experience, ignoring a gaffer's advice may come about for a variety of reasons, among them:

The instructions are unclear and therefore not successfully implemented
The instructions have never actually been issued
The instructions are so daft that the consensus is they are best ignored
The instructions are fine but the person issuing them is a plank, so they are routinely ignored in any case
There are no meaningful repercussions should said instructions be ignored so why take the trouble

Obviously this list is far from exhaustive. I just wonder whether any of the above could be relevant to our current predicament given that the same problems seemingly crop up like a recurring nightmare...


How about some players are so flipping thick, they're incapable? I just wonder if someone did come in, how many players would fit into the category, don't bother banking him off again, you're wasting your time, get rid.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:25 PM

View PostBugerov, on Oct 3 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

Maybe they have no faith in the manager and dont want to help him keep his job?

Perhaps, although the desire to keep their own jobs should make them play something like; a new manager will probably want to bring in his own men and quite a few of ours would find themselves treading the usual path to the Blue Square North.

This has more legs, to me:

View PostAlex Green, on Oct 3 2008, 01:24 PM, said:

Could it be that the players are understanding the instructions but they cannot perform the instructions when out on the pitch?

And if we had taken a longer, harder look at the players before we signed them...
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 05:11 PM

View PostBalearic Mac, on Oct 3 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

I seem to recall our beleaguered manager saying something along those lines in the aftermath of our most recent reversal.

Obviously he is suggesting they are not carrying out his instructions.

In my experience, ignoring a gaffer's advice may come about for a variety of reasons, among them:

The instructions are unclear and therefore not successfully implemented
The instructions have never actually been issued
The instructions are so daft that the consensus is they are best ignored
The instructions are fine but the person issuing them is a plank, so they are routinely ignored in any case
There are no meaningful repercussions should said instructions be ignored so why take the trouble

Obviously this list is far from exhaustive. I just wonder whether any of the above could be relevant to our current predicament given that the same problems seemingly crop up like a recurring nightmare...

Maybe LR is over complicationg the intructions to the players, and they dont bother as such.

There does not seem to an organised set pattern, although, how hard can it be for them to man mark `player x` at a free kick, and put a guy on each post?
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 05:13 PM

View Postdeath, on Oct 3 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

Maybe LR is over complicationg the intructions to the players, and they dont bother as such.

There does not seem to an organised set pattern, although, how hard can it be for them to man mark `player x` at a free kick, and put a guy on each post?


The players can't get the basics right, never mind the more taxing stuff.

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