[spireitetoo]

Now onto their 3rd manager this season both the 2nd and 3rd don't seem to have provided the boost as most new managers do,

My point being if the players aren't good enough there's not much anybody can do, as is the case with caldwell, we need to give him time to build his own team to play how he wants them to, the players he inherited obviously aren't upto that task and the loanees are just low earning gap fillers, we were never gunna stay up this season, we now need to put our faith in GC bringing in the players to get us back out of L2, its bad but we've been down before, give him a chance with his own players....

This post has been edited by spireitetoo: 18 March 2017 - 06:57 PM

[60s 70s Spireite]

spireitetoo, on 18 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Now onto their 3rd manager this season both the 2nd and 3rd don't seem to have provided the boost as most new managers do,

My point being if the players aren't good enough there's not much anybody can do, as is the case with caldwell, we need to give him time to build his own team to play how he wants them to, the players he inherited obviously aren't upto that task and the loanees are just low earning gap fillers, we were never gunna stay up this season, we now need to put our faith in GC bringing in the players to get us back out of L2, its bad but we've been down before, give him a chance with his own players....

Going to be interesting, bringing in players on say £80k pa (and much less) versus players forming part of an £11M wages budget.

[Jordan]

The quality of a manager should be judged on how he fairs with a poor squad since it often highlights his tactical understanding. Caldwell has shown he has no clue in this area. A good set of players can mask the weakness of the manager. Even Saunders did a good job with Doncaster before he left. There's gonna be no budgets like that for Gary. He is not a good manager and doesn't deserve a chance next year.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 March 2017 - 07:13 PM

[jack bauer]

spireitetoo, on 18 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Now onto their 3rd manager this season both the 2nd and 3rd don't seem to have provided the boost as most new managers do,

My point being if the players aren't good enough there's not much anybody can do, as is the case with caldwell, we need to give him time to build his own team to play how he wants them to, the players he inherited obviously aren't upto that task and the loanees are just low earning gap fillers, we were never gunna stay up this season, we now need to put our faith in GC bringing in the players to get us back out of L2, its bad but we've been down before, give him a chance with his own players....

hmm, not sure, if the signs were positive in any way I may agree but I've seen us go from bad to awful within the space of 2 months. finding the positives in Caldwell difficult to pin point, the hell with it, i'm finding the basics with Caldwell difficult to pin point.

[peakblue]

spireitetoo, on 18 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Now onto their 3rd manager this season both the 2nd and 3rd don't seem to have provided the boost as most new managers do,

My point being if the players aren't good enough there's not much anybody can do, as is the case with caldwell, we need to give him time to build his own team to play how he wants them to, the players he inherited obviously aren't upto that task and the loanees are just low earning gap fillers, we were never gunna stay up this season, we now need to put our faith in GC bringing in the players to get us back out of L2, its bad but we've been down before, give him a chance with his own players....

And my point being that its all well and good him bringing in his own players but what happens when he starts swapping them around into different positions every game?
Thats my worry

[metallilad]

Cooky needed that 2nd season to assemble the best squad we've had in my time of watching town in 30+ yrs.
Who knows?

[charleyfarley11]

spireitetoo, on 18 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Now onto their 3rd manager this season both the 2nd and 3rd don't seem to have provided the boost as most new managers do,

My point being if the players aren't good enough there's not much anybody can do, as is the case with caldwell, we need to give him time to build his own team to play how he wants them to, the players he inherited obviously aren't upto that task and the loanees are just low earning gap fillers, we were never gunna stay up this season, we now need to put our faith in GC bringing in the players to get us back out of L2, its bad but we've been down before, give him a chance with his own players....

You say we were never going to stay up this season but we were out the bottom 4 when Caldwell took over. He blew any chance we had by signing kids instead of some exprience

[Jordan]

metallilad, on 18 March 2017 - 08:47 PM, said:

Cooky needed that 2nd season to assemble the best squad we've had in my time of watching town in 30+ yrs.
Who knows?

But Cook came in to a struggling Sheridan side (albeit he only had 3 games) and had a instant and positive impact.

[BlueDay]

Jordan, on 18 March 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

But Cook came in to a struggling Sheridan side (albeit he only had 3 games) and had a instant and positive impact.

From Day 1, you sensed that Cookey was building something.

[Spireiteboy155]

BlueDay, on 18 March 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

From Day 1, you sensed that Cookey was building something.

You just sensed that he knew what he was doing.
I don't sense that with GC.
He seems to have absolutely no idea how to win

[metallilad]

Spireiteboy155, on 18 March 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

You just sensed that he knew what he was doing.
I don't sense that with GC.
He seems to have absolutely no idea how to win

Biggest joke post ever.
Our manager doesn't know how to win, when he's got a league one championship medal on his bedside drawers.
I take it back.....Your post is pathetic.

[Jordan]

metallilad, on 18 March 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

Biggest joke post ever.
Our manager doesn't know how to win, when he's got a league one championship medal on his bedside drawers.
I take it back.....Your post is pathetic.

When you have 11 million worth of players at your disposal you can play in any formation or shape and win.

Fast forward one season and he's playing against clubs that have even higher budgets. Out of his depth and struggling to win games.

Had Saunders stayed at Doncaster rather than Wolves at Christmas and been promoted back to the championship would you be rallying the same thing?

They are both terrible managers.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 March 2017 - 09:46 PM

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

spireitetoo, on 18 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Now onto their 3rd manager this season both the 2nd and 3rd don't seem to have provided the boost as most new managers do,

My point being if the players aren't good enough there's not much anybody can do, as is the case with caldwell, we need to give him time to build his own team to play how he wants them to, the players he inherited obviously aren't upto that task and the loanees are just low earning gap fillers, we were never gunna stay up this season, we now need to put our faith in GC bringing in the players to get us back out of L2, its bad but we've been down before, give him a chance with his own players....

Can't see 3 at the back and dribbling out being very successful in league two whatever the recruitment is like. He's taken us down with a whimper

[jack bauer]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 18 March 2017 - 09:52 PM, said:

Can't see 3 at the back and dribbling out being very successful in league two whatever the recruitment is like. He's taken us down with a whimper

and I think it is fair to say that it is Caldwell who has taken us down, when we went down in 89, I think randall had done the damage and hart showed us signs of improvement but had been left too much to do, this time, being honest we were in a relegation scrap when Caldwell walked in the door but since he arrived the scrap has ended as we have fallen in so deep and never looked under Caldwell like a team capable of competing for a place in league one next season

[metallilad]

Jordan, on 18 March 2017 - 09:44 PM, said:

When you have 11 million worth of players at your disposal you can play in any formation or shape and win.

Fast forward one season and he's playing against clubs that have even higher budgets. Out of his depth and struggling to win games.

Had Saunders stayed at Doncaster rather than Wolves at Christmas and been promoted back to the championship would you be rallying the same thing?

They are both terrible managers.

And the 23yr old kid who was his boss knee jerked and sacked him.
Your argument would've had momentum if that same 23yr old hadn't sacked his replacement in the same season........
How old are you?

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

jack bauer, on 18 March 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

and I think it is fair to say that it is Caldwell who has taken us down, when we went down in 89, I think randall had done the damage and hart showed us signs of improvement but had been left too much to do, this time, being honest we were in a relegation scrap when Caldwell walked in the door but since he arrived the scrap has ended as we have fallen in so deep and never looked under Caldwell like a team capable of competing for a place in league one next season

We're going to get the new manager bounce soon lol

[Jordan]

metallilad, on 18 March 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

And the 23yr old kid who was his boss knee jerked and sacked him.
Your argument would've had momentum if that same 23yr old hadn't sacked his replacement in the same season........
How old are you?

Are you saying the replacement he chose had to be better than Caldwell? They can be equally as bad as each other. Listening to some Wigan fans it all sounds painfully familiar.

No one Is saying the replacement the mafia would bring in would be a good one. We're just saying the current manager is a bad choice.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 March 2017 - 10:06 PM

[metallilad]

Jordan, on 18 March 2017 - 10:05 PM, said:

Are you saying the replacement he chose had to be better than Caldwell? They can be equally as bad as each other. Listening to some Wigan fans it all sounds painfully familiar.

No one Is saying the replacement the mafia would bring in would be a good one. We're just saying the current manager is a bad choice.

No. The manager we have won the league one championship last season, but according to the comments on here he couldn't cope with equal budgets and was sacked (unfairly according to the press). But the bloke who was brought in to replace him was no better, was sacked in the same season. Budgets have got to be ignored because Cooky has a massive budget now to what he had here and yet that team we had would trounce that Portsmouth team.
Why can't anybody be given a chance anymore?

[Jordan]

metallilad, on 18 March 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

No. The manager we have won the league one championship last season, but according to the comments on here he couldn't cope with equal budgets and was sacked (unfairly according to the press). But the bloke who was brought in to replace him was no better, was sacked in the same season. Budgets have got to be ignored because Cooky has a massive budget now to what he had here and yet that team we had would trounce that Portsmouth team.
Why can't anybody be given a chance anymore?

Doyle and Gary Roberts playing against theirselves... wonder which would win.

Saying we'd trounce Portsmouth is nothing more than speculation to try and support your argument. The side he has now is much better than it was a few weeks ago (Yes that's right, a manager can improve a team DURING the season)

Budgets mean everything in our situation! Why on earth would we appoint the manager who had the biggest budget in the league to do a job on one of the smallest? It's madness. I didn't want him in the first place - so why do I give him a chance now he is here? Especially after he told me to stay away because I can't complain about a 4-0 defeat when I paid good money for it.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 18 March 2017 - 10:25 PM

[ELTON 2020]

metallilad, on 18 March 2017 - 08:47 PM, said:

Cooky needed that 2nd season to assemble the best squad we've had in my time of watching town in 30+ yrs.
Who knows?

D'ypu mean the Mcmenenenenmeneny 92/3 outfit of Stuart cash and Dave Lancaster with Hebberd pushing on was worse than this??