[Bonnyman]

Love the man but his stock is going down the pan,2 succesive relegations from the prem looks on.

[jonnythespireite]

Bonnyman, on 27 April 2023 - 08:24 PM, said:

Love the man but his stock is going down the pan,2 succesive relegations from the prem looks on.

Another way of looking at it is that he kept Burnley in the PL for years against all odds and with no money. Plus Everton have been a basket case for years and he’s inherited something: impossible to turn around. The latter a bit like us and Jack Lester.

[spireitetoo]

jonnythespireite, on 27 April 2023 - 08:30 PM, said:

Another way of looking at it is that he kept Burnley in the PL for years against all odds and with no money. Plus Everton have been a basket case for years and he’s inherited something: impossible to turn around. The latter a bit like us and Jack Lester.

Hopefully he gets the chance to bring them back up, if they do drop out .. he's proven he's capable of getting promoted from the championship

[metallilad]

jonnythespireite, on 27 April 2023 - 08:30 PM, said:

Another way of looking at it is that he kept Burnley in the PL for years against all odds and with no money. Plus Everton have been a basket case for years and he’s inherited something: impossible to turn around. The latter a bit like us and Jack Lester.

No. Cos Dyche only had one day in the transfer window for Everton but Lester cocked up a full transfer window by signing kids who weren't up to the fight.

[stainlessstephen]

Lester should never have been given the gig anyway. Too inexperienced.

[Westbars Spireite]

Bonnyman, on 27 April 2023 - 08:24 PM, said:

Love the man but his stock is going down the pan,2 succesive relegations from the prem looks on.

He got out last year in time to avoid that on the CV.

[Holmesc1]

Whoever is manager of everton they would be in the same position the way they are ran was the same when mike ashley owned newcastle. A rotten culture can even effect big name senior pro’s. Look at how good joe linton is now since the takeover

This post has been edited by Holmesc1: 28 April 2023 - 07:36 AM

[peakblue]

League One beckons for Everton.
It’s rotten at the roots,we should know.
They can get all the top managers available,it won’t make any difference unless changes are made at the very top

[Jud]

Holmesc1, on 28 April 2023 - 07:35 AM, said:

Whoever is manager of everton they would be in the same position the way they are ran was the same when mike ashley owned newcastle. A rotten culture can even effect big name senior pro’s. Look at how good joe linton is now since the takeover

Joe Linton sounds like a bruising centre back from South Elmsall.

[Sammy Spireite]

Bonnyman, on 27 April 2023 - 08:24 PM, said:

Love the man but his stock is going down the pan,2 succesive relegations from the prem looks on.

if you're blaming him for Burnleys relegation, you can't blame him for Everton's, and vice-versa.

[WDCFC]

Holmesc1, on 28 April 2023 - 07:35 AM, said:

Whoever is manager of everton they would be in the same position the way they are ran was the same when mike ashley owned newcastle. A rotten culture can even effect big name senior pro’s. Look at how good joe linton is now since the takeover

Under Steve Bruce, Joe Linton was only a skelington of the player that he is now under Howe

[Holmesc1]

WDCFC, on 28 April 2023 - 08:54 AM, said:

Under Steve Bruce, Joe Linton was only a skelington of the player that he is now under Howe

Exactly not just a new manager but new owners have boosted player morale full stop. Some of the so called dross signed under ashley are now decent players

[kh83]

metallilad, on 27 April 2023 - 08:43 PM, said:

No. Cos Dyche only had one day in the transfer window for Everton but Lester cocked up a full transfer window by signing kids who weren't up to the fight.

To be fair, we were bottom of league, no budget and a basket case chairman as well as bad reputation. Who could he sign really? Ramsdale and Sid Nelson where excellent tbf

Within the space of two weeks, after getting us playing very well, he lost Lee, Evatt and Hird to injury.. 3 quality players with over 1000 appearances between them. No way he could replace those 3

[Doughnut]

kh83, on 28 April 2023 - 07:36 PM, said:

To be fair, we were bottom of league, no budget and a basket case chairman as well as bad reputation. Who could he sign really? Ramsdale and Sid Nelson where excellent tbf

Within the space of two weeks, after getting us playing very well, he lost Lee, Evatt and Hird to injury.. 3 quality players with over 1000 appearances between them. No way he could replace those 3

He got a dreadful start thanks to Caldwell. I recall he had about 36 games to turn it round but couldn’t - you can’t argue it isn’t enough time. He brought in many players on loan and we paid for a couple of signings IIRC and he resigned Talbot, this is in spite of claims he had no finances to play with. Towards the end of the season when it was important to pick up wins we were toothless and we can’t even attribute that to playing possession football and being patient. We were poor.

No doubt some of the blame lies with the woeful start under Caldwell. The players have some blame too. As does Jack.

[essexspireman]

Doughnut, on 28 April 2023 - 07:58 PM, said:

He got a dreadful start thanks to Caldwell. I recall he had about 36 games to turn it round but couldn’t - you can’t argue it isn’t enough time. He brought in many players on loan and we paid for a couple of signings IIRC and he resigned Talbot, this is in spite of claims he had no finances to play with. Towards the end of the season when it was important to pick up wins we were toothless and we can’t even attribute that to playing possession football and being patient. We were poor.

No doubt some of the blame lies with the woeful start under Caldwell. The players have some blame too. As does Jack.

I'll never forget the must win game away at Grimsby

[Holmesc1]

Very good dyche interview
https://youtu.be/2C8AwTxPE3U

[Westbars Spireite]

essexspireman, on 28 April 2023 - 08:05 PM, said:

I'll never forget the must win game away at Grimsby

I wish I could. It was horrible. Port Vale wasn't much better.

[calvin plummers socks]

essexspireman, on 28 April 2023 - 08:05 PM, said:

I'll never forget the must win game away at Grimsby

The most depressing game I’ve ever been to.

[Jud]

calvin plummers socks, on 28 April 2023 - 10:07 PM, said:

The most depressing game I’ve ever been to.

It was rank. Losing at home to the scabs that season just about tops it, though. That was my darkest footballing hour 🤢

[Siberian Spireite]

Doughnut, on 28 April 2023 - 07:58 PM, said:

He got a dreadful start thanks to Caldwell. I recall he had about 36 games to turn it round but couldn’t - you can’t argue it isn’t enough time. He brought in many players on loan and we paid for a couple of signings IIRC and he resigned Talbot, this is in spite of claims he had no finances to play with. Towards the end of the season when it was important to pick up wins we were toothless and we can’t even attribute that to playing possession football and being patient. We were poor.

No doubt some of the blame lies with the woeful start under Caldwell. The players have some blame too. As does Jack.

True. Lester revived us to an extent and as the January transfer window opened, there was his chance to reshape the side as he wished. In came horrors, nobodies and not-readies like Whitmore, Kay, Dodds, Smith and Coke (permanent) and Mottley-Henry and Jacob Brown on loan. Those all did nowt for us. His other signings were Talbot (injured), Hines (middling), Nelson (popular because he tried hard but limited) and Ramsdale (okay for us but far, far from the player he became, at that tender age). Also two loan keepers Dawson and Eastwood who barely played before returning to their parent clubs.
Lester signed badly, we went down.