[Zigsuk]

Thought I'd start a new topic on referees in general.
It must be the only occupation where you can get away for years with repeatedly being rubbish apart from being an MP. Many of us can remember when refs were part time and had other jobs, now they are fully professional but no better. Yes, it is a difficult job, but that's why they have assistants - I notice the fad of calling them referees assistants never really caught on - and most people still refer to them as linsemen. My gripe is that most refs seem to ignore their assistants / linesmen and only rarely consult with them over a decision.
The assessors appear to be pointless as how often is a referee sacked for repeated incompetence?
As I say it is a difficult job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it. It often makes me wonder how they get enough referees. Maybe that's part of the problem? Assessors are reluctant to give then bad reports or to suggest they are disciplined because they have difficulty recruiting them?
Anyhow the clown last night showed how important the ref is and how he can totally influence a result. The old adage remains the best refs are the ones you don't notice.

[Mr Mercury]

Zigsuk, on 20 September 2023 - 11:04 AM, said:

Thought I'd start a new topic on referees in general.
It must be the only occupation where you can get away for years with repeatedly being rubbish apart from being an MP. Many of us can remember when refs were part time and had other jobs, now they are fully professional but no better. Yes, it is a difficult job, but that's why they have assistants - I notice the fad of calling them referees assistants never really caught on - and most people still refer to them as linsemen. My gripe is that most refs seem to ignore their assistants / linesmen and only rarely consult with them over a decision.
The assessors appear to be pointless as how often is a referee sacked for repeated incompetence?
As I say it is a difficult job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it. It often makes me wonder how they get enough referees. Maybe that's part of the problem? Assessors are reluctant to give then bad reports or to suggest they are disciplined because they have difficulty recruiting them?
Anyhow the clown last night showed how important the ref is and how he can totally influence a result. The old adage remains the best refs are the ones you don't notice.

It’ll be interesting to see if last nights idiot get a game this week at NL level, or will be be demoted for a game or two or “rested”.

[danblue]

Zigsuk, on 20 September 2023 - 11:04 AM, said:

Thought I'd start a new topic on referees in general.
It must be the only occupation where you can get away for years with repeatedly being rubbish apart from being an MP. Many of us can remember when refs were part time and had other jobs, now they are fully professional but no better. Yes, it is a difficult job, but that's why they have assistants - I notice the fad of calling them referees assistants never really caught on - and most people still refer to them as linsemen. My gripe is that most refs seem to ignore their assistants / linesmen and only rarely consult with them over a decision.
The assessors appear to be pointless as how often is a referee sacked for repeated incompetence?
As I say it is a difficult job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it. It often makes me wonder how they get enough referees. Maybe that's part of the problem? Assessors are reluctant to give then bad reports or to suggest they are disciplined because they have difficulty recruiting them?
Anyhow the clown last night showed how important the ref is and how he can totally influence a result. The old adage remains the best refs are the ones you don't notice.

I just assumed they got demoted to a lower league. Must be on some sort of point / performance basis as there is an assessor.
I guess then they eventually drop down the leagues and land at local football if they haven't realised already that they are w@ñk and quit

This post has been edited by danblue: 20 September 2023 - 11:41 AM

[martatcross]

Mr Mercury, on 20 September 2023 - 11:37 AM, said:

It’ll be interesting to see if last nights idiot get a game this week at NL level, or will be be demoted for a game or two or “rested”.

The national League must know the standard of refereeing is tripe . No one who was in the ground or even watching on TV could fail to notice he didn't have a scooby doo what he was doing

[JonB]

Mr Mercury, on 20 September 2023 - 11:37 AM, said:

It’ll be interesting to see if last nights idiot get a game this week at NL level, or will be be demoted for a game or two or “rested”.

Looking at the Rate the Ref forum that has listings of appointments he doesnt appear to have a game in the NL or NLN\NLS this Saturday. He is down for this game next week which is the only one i can find for him currently on that site :-
Thu 28th Sep 2023
Leeds United AFC (Reserve Team) v Undecided (Reserve Team)
PL International Cup
Referee: Jackson, Aaron
Assistant Referee: Jones, Callum
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Burgin, Melissa

His stats for NL and above are on Soccerbase, second time he's booked 8 in a game. He's done 4 NL and an EFL Trophy game so far this season and amassed 18 yellows and 5 reds, twice he's sent of two in a game.

https://www.soccerba...9&season_id=156

This post has been edited by JonB: 20 September 2023 - 11:48 AM

[metallilad]

Because they are on the verge of going into the EFL they want to make a name for themselves. The problem is that all they do is dig their heels in against a big support for town and make decisions against us. What it needs is for the refs in this division to also ref league two matches then they won't have the "little man syndrome" when they come up against a bigger crowd.

[Painted Wagon]

A good referee should never warrant even a mention after a game

[Zigsuk]

Didn't referees ref all four divisions of the football league before the B****Y Prenier League had to have their own? I thought back in the day a ref could be first division one week and fourth another week.

[Johnnyspireite7]

metallilad, on 20 September 2023 - 12:01 PM, said:

Because they are on the verge of going into the EFL they want to make a name for themselves. The problem is that all they do is dig their heels in against a big support for town and make decisions against us. What it needs is for the refs in this division to also ref league two matches then they won't have the "little man syndrome" when they come up against a bigger crowd.

Considering that a lot of league 2 clubs are smaller than a few in the National league it wouldn’t make an iota of difference. A knob head is always a knob head.

[Mr Mercury]

Zigsuk, on 20 September 2023 - 12:05 PM, said:

Didn't referees ref all four divisions of the football league before the B****Y Prenier League had to have their own? I thought back in the day a ref could be first division one week and fourth another week.

Yes that’s true, kept them grounded a bit I think.

[Siberian Spireite]

Problem is, refs from grass roots upwards get dogs' abuse, so there is a shortage. Incapable officials like we had last night rise up as there isn't any competition from competent refs.

[Benno Spire]

Some refs to get extra points try and show they are not influenced by a hostile crowd and sometimes go too far the other way

[clarevoyant.]

Benno Spire, on 20 September 2023 - 12:46 PM, said:

Some refs to get extra points try and show they are not influenced by a hostile crowd and sometimes go too far the other way

👍👍👍

That's probably why we never get a 'homer' but tend to when we are away

[calvin plummers socks]

Reading some of the comments it’s no wonder the referees are considered poor.
Why would a youngster want to take up officiating?

Don’t forget we are National League. The players are semi professional as a rule so why expect top officials?

[rodney]

calvin plummers socks, on 20 September 2023 - 12:58 PM, said:

Reading some of the comments it’s no wonder the referees are considered poor.
Why would a youngster want to take up officiating?

Don’t forget we are National League. The players are semi professional as a rule so why expect top officials?

Is this a serious post. Did you see the game last night? It is the worse performance I have seen in 60 years without a doubt and this is a forum for debate/discussion

We don’t expect top officials we expect competent ones, and ones who understand the laws of the game.

Any youngest watching last night would be thinking I can do a lot better than this.

[sophocles]

Does anyone know definitively why the idiot disguised as a referee made Joe Quigley go off the pitch as soon as he'd come on, then studiously ignored him for a while before allowing him back on? Somebody said after the game that it was something to do with his socks, which seems strange, but a lot of the ref's performance was strange anyway.

[calvin plummers socks]

rodney, on 20 September 2023 - 01:04 PM, said:

Is this a serious post. Did you see the game last night? It is the worse performance I have seen in 60 years without a doubt and this is a forum for debate/discussion

We don’t expect top officials we expect competent ones, and ones who understand the laws of the game.

Any youngest watching last night would be thinking I can do a lot better than this.

Hey I’ve no doubt the red was awful. (Clearly he was)- but competence isn’t relative - 3 seasons ago we almost got relegated to National League North. Every player was obviously incompetent as well then.
You see the point?

[azul]

calvin plummers socks, on 20 September 2023 - 12:58 PM, said:

Reading some of the comments it’s no wonder the referees are considered poor.
Why would a youngster want to take up officiating?

Don’t forget we are National League. The players are semi professional as a rule so why expect top officials?

You really should’ve really seen this one before commenting

[calvin plummers socks]

azul, on 20 September 2023 - 01:12 PM, said:

You really should’ve really seen this one before commenting

Nah I’m not doubting he was awful.

[clarevoyant.]

azul, on 20 September 2023 - 01:12 PM, said:

You really should’ve really seen this one before commenting

Adopting that theory would really minimise his contributions.