[Paul stanley]

https://www.derbyshi...loses-1-9262916

Gutted. Only pub in town serving Carling premier. Seems a bit sudden I was only in last week and never predicted it would close always seemed decent trade there

[Town_Fan]

Seen it advertised. Is it a going concern do we reckon?

Me and the missus thinking of coming up north and maybe running a pub.

[Paul stanley]

 Town_Fan, on 21 July 2018 - 10:38 PM, said:

Seen it advertised. Is it a going concern do we reckon?

Me and the missus thinking of coming up north and maybe running a pub.

Iwouod say it is. Whej I was last in a few days ago all seemed well with the building would probably just need restocking. The staff are worth taking back on too

[JonB]

I parked in the car park next door Wednesday afternoon and there were folk in drinking. Following day it’s shut it’s doors so no idea what’s gone off!!

[isleaiw1]

 Town_Fan, on 21 July 2018 - 10:38 PM, said:

Seen it advertised. Is it a going concern do we reckon?

Me and the missus thinking of coming up north and maybe running a pub.

I am not sure many pubs outside of the south east are good businesses any more. When I worked in the industry the view was that a good food offer would see you profitable, but there are so many places doing that now. If you get a rep for being a pub full of winos that will kill trade. You need to be on a circuit and stay on it, but also be respectable and attract families for food. Not as easy in Chesterfield as the south and of course doesn’t help if you have a Wetherspoons a few doors away.

[spireitetoo]

There's a lot of bedrooms, on the 2 upper floors, plus a good sized function room on the front, (1st floor), so potential for b&b and party lets, though the ghost on the top landing can be a bit off putting to some, ( i lived in there for a few months about 30yr ago) i never saw the ghost but a couple of the cleaners claimed to.... there is alot of potential with there not being a hotel nr the railway station.

[Paul stanley]

 isleaiw1, on 22 July 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

I am not sure many pubs outside of the south east are good businesses any more. When I worked in the industry the view was that a good food offer would see you profitable, but there are so many places doing that now. If you get a rep for being a pub full of winos that will kill trade. You need to be on a circuit and stay on it, but also be respectable and attract families for food. Not as easy in Chesterfield as the south and of course doesn’t help if you have a Wetherspoons a few doors away.

The White swan had all that: food on, families welcome etc and competed with weatherspoons on quality not price

[calvin plummers socks]

 Paul stanley, on 22 July 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

The White swan had all that: food on, families welcome etc and competed with weatherspoons on quality not price

Wetherspoons and quality?

[Cartman]

White Swan business rates are crippling apparently

Lease is listed at 25k stating it does 500k a year turnover - however advert also says 100% wet trade which wasn’t true

[Cartman]

 calvin plummers socks, on 22 July 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

Wetherspoons and quality?

Absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of Wetherspoons beer

And the food is what you’d expect for the price, nowt fancy but ok and perfectly acceptable

[Paul stanley]

 Cartman, on 22 July 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of Wetherspoons beer

And the food is what you’d expect for the price, nowt fancy but ok and perfectly acceptable

The spa lane vaults will never match the lager selection in the white swan. Estrella, hoffmeister, krombacher, Carling premier and many more. I love abbot ale too but it always seemed fresher at the swan? As for food you can't get a Sunday lunch in weatherspoons and the chips are just McCains? No live bands too

 Cartman, on 22 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

White Swan business rates are crippling apparently

Lease is listed at 25k stating it does 500k a year turnover - however advert also says 100% wet trade which wasn’t true

S41 blamed businss rates for closure but it reopened after a few weeks by a different owner

[isleaiw1]

 Paul stanley, on 22 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

The spa lane vaults will never match the lager selection in the white swan. Estrella, hoffmeister, krombacher, Carling premier and many more. I love abbot ale too but it always seemed fresher at the swan? As for food you can't get a Sunday lunch in weatherspoons and the chips are just McCains? No live bands too


S41 blamed businss rates for closure but it reopened after a few weeks by a different owner

Too many options will mean less volume per brand so not so good prices.

You have to make a choice with food - quality and charge the price, or cheap and cheerful with minimum chef requirement and keen prices. If you are too expensive for the quality, or too average for the price, sales and margin will suffer...

[CFC91]

Thought it was a decent boozer myself, good food, good beer and was always busy when i've been in. If this kind of place can't survive then surely many others will struggle. Definitely in the top 3/4 pubs in the town centre for me.

[mr. smith]

 CFC91, on 23 July 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

Thought it was a decent boozer myself, good food, good beer and was always busy when i've been in. If this kind of place can't survive then surely many others will struggle. Definitely in the top 3/4 pubs in the town centre for me.

started to struggle when einsteins opened & has gone downhill over last 12mths.
never open on time sat dinner & then never ready for serving/taking food orders.
some of the staff gave the impression it was a chore serving.
shame really as its a decent pub but id expect someone to be running it by start od season.

[Paul stanley]

 CFC91, on 23 July 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

Thought it was a decent boozer myself, good food, good beer and was always busy when i've been in. If this kind of place can't survive then surely many others will struggle. Definitely in the top 3/4 pubs in the town centre for me.

Totally agree which is why I reckon there's maybe more to it than meets the eye like was there problems with the lease of did the pubs parent company (raw brewery) run into trouble with HMRC. Einstein's has been open for a bit now probably as long as white swan so can't see that been the reason it shut. Food service was always efficient when I was in mostly for Sunday lunch

[Westbars Spireite]

 Paul stanley, on 23 July 2018 - 05:30 PM, said:

Totally agree which is why I reckon there's maybe more to it than meets the eye like was there problems with the lease of did the pubs parent company (raw brewery) run into trouble with HMRC. Einstein's has been open for a bit now probably as long as white swan so can't see that been the reason it shut. Food service was always efficient when I was in mostly for Sunday lunch

The Swan opened 2/3 years before Einsteins.