[moondog]

An excellent piece from the former Spireite

https://www.nottingh...ot-paid-2907146

[Waller is my hero]

Good read! And makes it more imperative that we secure promotion back to the football as soon as possible...not just because revenue is increased, but it will also be the norm that big clubs will start the slippy slide into the non league arena & make the two promotion places available more & more difficult
10 years from now you can see the national league having much bigger clubs that us & Notts County in it! Then no doubt force an extension of the football league to 5 divisions!!! You heard it here first 😬

[Blue5]

moondog, on 27 May 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

An excellent piece from the former Spireite

https://www.nottingh...ot-paid-2907146

I am sick of hearing about how much money there is in the Premier League versus other divisions. How much of it is simply down to bad or corrupt management and ownership?

If Accrington, on their turnover, can send out a side to compete and balance the books, why is it so difficult for other clubs playing at the same level?

Start by stripping out the incompetence and corruption.

[Siberian Spireite]

Blue5, on 27 May 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:

I am sick of hearing about how much money there is in the Premier League versus other divisions. How much of it is simply down to bad or corrupt management and ownership?

If Accrington, on their turnover, can send out a side to compete and balance the books, why is it so difficult for other clubs playing at the same level?

Start by stripping out the incompetence and corruption.

Easier said than done- how do we fans go about stripping that out of CFC?

[moondog]

To be fair Gregor does mention terrible owners, whereas Andy Holt at Accrington deserves his own article for his fine work maybe something for Gregor, who has turned out to be a fine journalist, to consider

[Blue5]

Siberian Spireite, on 27 May 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

Easier said than done- how do we fans go about stripping that out of CFC?

The FA insist clubs employ a qualified physio, if there was any interest from them and the EFL they would be insisting that clubs employ suitably qualified accountants too, as a start.

This post has been edited by Blue5: 27 May 2019 - 09:13 AM

[SpireiteFitzy]

Blue5, on 27 May 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:

I am sick of hearing about how much money there is in the Premier League versus other divisions. How much of it is simply down to bad or corrupt management and ownership?

If Accrington, on their turnover, can send out a side to compete and balance the books, why is it so difficult for other clubs playing at the same level?

Start by stripping out the incompetence and corruption.

Start by capping player wages. Thats where a lot of the money is going. There's that much money coming down from relegated premier league teams or over financed small outfits coming out the national league it's forcing teams who can't afford similar wages to break their budgets to get players to the club and then they suffer the consequences down the line.

Not to mention greedy agents taking bigger slices of the pie and the fact players are grossly overpaid in a lot of cases to start with and their is your starting point. Clubs need to come together and agree on acceptable limits instead of just driving prices higher and higher like they currently are. Stop football been the fat golden egg that a lot of unscrupulous characters take advantage of.

[Blue5]

SpireiteFitzy, on 27 May 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

Start by capping player wages. Thats where a lot of the money is going. There's that much money coming down from relegated premier league teams or over financed small outfits coming out the national league it's forcing teams who can't afford similar wages to break their budgets to get players to the club and then they suffer the consequences down the line.

Not to mention greedy agents taking bigger slices of the pie and the fact players are grossly overpaid in a lot of cases to start with and their is your starting point. Clubs need to come together and agree on acceptable limits instead of just driving prices higher and higher like they currently are. Stop football been the fat golden egg that a lot of unscrupulous characters take advantage of.

By capping players' wages, corrupt officials and owners will just stick a player's wife, family member or other associate on the payroll.

How about a club has to trade profitably and have a positive net worth?

This post has been edited by Blue5: 27 May 2019 - 10:24 AM

[spireitetoo]

300 million profit from an accumulative 8.4 billion turnover speaks volumes about whats wrong with football these days, wonder which clubs actually made a profit?

[Oldtimer]

If an agent is representing the player, let that player pay out of his own pocket.
Don't give ludicrously long contracts to Managers. After all if they have a good season their heads will be turned and if they have a rubbish one we'll want rid.
Only one team is able to win the league but all teams are able to play entertaining football. So at least try to.
Don't negotiate with players regarding wage. Simply state what your going rate is for the position you're trying to fill and if you offer it to that player it's a take it or leave it scenario.

Oh !! I almost forgot. Regarding the money, that's really simple. If you ain't got it don't spend it. Just be upfront and transparent with the fan base

[Oldtimer]

spireitetoo, on 27 May 2019 - 11:06 AM, said:

300 million profit from an accumulative 8.4 billion turnover speaks volumes about whats wrong with football these days, wonder which clubs actually made a profit?

Yep !! It's amazing how the very top accountants can invent ways to make money disappear and make a very large profit become a relatively small one

[spireitenag]

Blue5, on 27 May 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

By capping players' wages, corrupt officials and owners will just stick a player's wife, family member or other associate on the payroll.

How about a club has to trade profitably and have a positive net worth?

Or even a manager's wife on the payroll.

Can't imagine any club would do that.

Oh ! Wait a minute.

[moondog]

spireitenag, on 27 May 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

Or even a manager's wife on the payroll.

Can't imagine any club would do that.

Oh ! Wait a minute.

Don't forget the owners Son in Law, who appeared never to have a proper role

[Lincs Spireite]

SpireiteFitzy, on 27 May 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

Start by capping player wages. Thats where a lot of the money is going. There's that much money coming down from relegated premier league teams or over financed small outfits coming out the national league it's forcing teams who can't afford similar wages to break their budgets to get players to the club and then they suffer the consequences down the line.

Not to mention greedy agents taking bigger slices of the pie and the fact players are grossly overpaid in a lot of cases to start with and their is your starting point. Clubs need to come together and agree on acceptable limits instead of just driving prices higher and higher like they currently are. Stop football been the fat golden egg that a lot of unscrupulous characters take advantage of.

IMHO there should be a 3 band scale for all divisions. No if's or but's. The better players can climb to the higher end of the scale whilst the players at the bottom will have to put in the effort to climb the scale. Players who consistently perform well in every game can aim for a band higher wages. We all know players who just turn up and often go missing. That way everyone will know what the maximum is in each division. This would also help budgeting. If a player says he can get a band higher at another club, well so be it.

[Blue5]

spireitetoo, on 27 May 2019 - 11:06 AM, said:

300 million profit from an accumulative 8.4 billion turnover speaks volumes about whats wrong with football these days, wonder which clubs actually made a profit?

Putting to one side those intent on using clubs as a means to launder money, if central funding & TV money was allocated based on profitability, would we see a change in how the majority of clubs are currently run?

[Westbars Spireite]

moondog, on 27 May 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

To be fair Gregor does mention terrible owners, whereas Andy Holt at Accrington deserves his own article for his fine work maybe something for Gregor, who has turned out to be a fine journalist, to consider

I think he'll be getting on the nerves of the authorities very soon if he hasn't already.

[Spire-Power]

moondog, on 27 May 2019 - 01:13 PM, said:

Don't forget the owners Son in Law, who appeared never to have a proper role

How about a club owner making his airhead wife CEO?

[moondog]

Westbars Spireite, on 27 May 2019 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think he'll be getting on the nerves of the authorities very soon if he hasn't already.

Yes he's a sure recommendation for a follow on Twitter, speaks a lot of sense, a breath of fresh air

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

moondog, on 27 May 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

To be fair Gregor does mention terrible owners, whereas Andy Holt at Accrington deserves his own article for his fine work maybe something for Gregor, who has turned out to be a fine journalist, to consider

I think I read that Accy made a 400k net profit for 2017/18 compared to our 1.1 m loss

[Siberian Spireite]

Oldtimer, on 27 May 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

If an agent is representing the player, let that player pay out of his own pocket.
Don't give ludicrously long contracts to Managers. After all if they have a good season their heads will be turned and if they have a rubbish one we'll want rid.
Only one team is able to win the league but all teams are able to play entertaining football. So at least try to.
Don't negotiate with players regarding wage. Simply state what your going rate is for the position you're trying to fill and if you offer it to that player it's a take it or leave it scenario.

Oh !! I almost forgot. Regarding the money, that's really simple. If you ain't got it don't spend it. Just be upfront and transparent with the fan base

I often think that publishing a team’s budget alongside its league position would be much more illustrative of how well-managed they are.