[Benno Spire]

Looking like another poor performance against South Africa

[Mr Mercury]

Absolutely shocking

[jack bauer]

oh dear, at this rate england wont last 20 overs

This post has been edited by jack bauer: 21 October 2023 - 01:54 PM

[JonB]

Conditions too much in the field then pressure of the total.

[Benno Spire]

This is getting embarrassing now

[JonB]

At least we don’t lose to the Dutch….yet….

[jack bauer]

JonB, on 21 October 2023 - 02:37 PM, said:

At least we don’t lose to the Dutch….yet….

JB you seem up on your cricket, where do we go from here? i watch as a cricket novice but this team seems lost, smash every ball or we don't know what to do, other teams seems to be able to build innings, england look flat to me, lacking a real game plan and hoping someone will simply come in and smash it out of the ground. is butler under pressure to retain the captaincy? is the team too old? not hungry enough... all in all this world cup has so far been very dissapointing for a defending world champion side, players struggling with fitness/injury. inevitable demise or just not great prep? or a bit of both?

[JonB]

Think it’s hard to be too critical, India is never an easy place to play especially in the conditions yesterday. Bowling first was a mistake and it spiralled from there.

Our white ball cricket was revolutionised under Morgan so expectations are high but others have maybe caught us up. People are criticising the squad choice but I can see why they stuck with what they did. Archer being fit would have made a difference.

It’s easy to go in and say wholesale changes are needed but not sure that’s the case. However not really playing the format here doesn’t help…..while our 50 over tournament was happening most of the squad were playing the crappy hundred thing.

[jack bauer]

JonB, on 22 October 2023 - 08:08 AM, said:

Think it’s hard to be too critical, India is never an easy place to play especially in the conditions yesterday. Bowling first was a mistake and it spiralled from there.

Our white ball cricket was revolutionised under Morgan so expectations are high but others have maybe caught us up. People are criticising the squad choice but I can see why they stuck with what they did. Archer being fit would have made a difference.

It’s easy to go in and say wholesale changes are needed but not sure that’s the case. However not really playing the format here doesn’t help…..while our 50 over tournament was happening most of the squad were playing the crappy hundred thing.

is the hundred a big part of the problem then? i have only come back to watching cricket since the lockdown period, watched as a kid but then nothing for years, from what i've seen and without being too critical as you say, i do wonder if our batting needs to be a bit smarter at times, is that fair? just seems a bit like we're trying to force it a bit and blast everything, is that the "hundred mentality"? btw that's one format that has not re-hooked me.

[JonB]

Yesterday is a one off, chasing 400 you need to get on with it a bit but there has been a tendency to keep going big when maybe we could be smarter. In the past we batted so deep we could lose a few wickets and be ok. Now that’s possibly not the case especially the lineup yesterday.

Hundred scheduling doesn’t help as it’s the same time as our domestic 50 over cricket so most of this England side only play 50 overs when it’s for England.

[Johnnyspireite7]

Does Afghanistan's result today v Pakistan put ours into any sort of context? I expect that Sri Lanka and Netherlands will be looking forward to their games against them with trepidation. They have an outside chance of sneaking into the top 4.

[JonB]

They’ve been improving as a decent team and this World Cup suits them conditions wise. Played four spinners today!

[Benno Spire]

The World Cup table looks grim for England

[Mr Mercury]

The joy emitting from the Afghanistan team and support was fantastic…well done to them!

[jack bauer]

just tuned in to england v sri lanka... oh my.

[Mr Mercury]

jack bauer, on 26 October 2023 - 10:07 AM, said:

just tuned in to england v sri lanka... oh my.

Spoilt my Bacon and tomato cob!

[JonB]

Not great again, need top order to set a platform with the allrounders lower down. However it was a shocking decision to give Woakes out....no way the third umpire could tell from the rank footage that it was 100% out. Sri Lanka are always hit and miss as well so getting to 200 ish gives us a chance as we are better bowling line up....losing Woakes doesnt help with getting what we can on the board. No chance the 3rd Umpire makes that decision if its an Indian batter with a packed ground around him.

Side note...the sooner Livingstone is sacked off the better. Living on a reputation of a few big sixes and the fact he can apparently bowl off and leg spin....both of which arent great! Picking a side based on having folk that do both harks back to the horrible white ball days of the 90s when the likes of Mark Ealham got a game because he did a bit of both! We dont seem to know how to pick the team to suit how and where we are playing.

This post has been edited by JonB: 26 October 2023 - 11:12 AM

[Mr Mercury]

Rashid….FFS

[jack bauer]

going to have to bowl their hearts out now.

[Mr Mercury]

23/2….just keeping our heads above water!