[dim view]

Congrats to him. Not summat he could turn down, but what a great opportunity for us to get some young talent in on his recommendation. This is an area where commission could be paid in good faith. Can we take kids in from Kenya or do we have to wait for Brexit?

[plannerj]

dim view, on 09 July 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

Congrats to him. Not summat he could turn down, but what a great opportunity for us to get some young talent in on his recommendation. This is an area where commission could be paid in good faith. Can we take kids in from Kenya or do we have to wait for Brexit?

Why has Brexit anything to do with a decision to bring talent in from a Commonwealth country? Such decisions always have been In the hands of UK government.

[Johnnyspireite7]

plannerj, on 09 July 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:

Why has Brexit anything to do with a decision to bring talent in from a Commonwealth country? Such decisions always have been In the hands of UK government.

Nothing, however work permit rules for football mean that the national team of the incoming player have to be above a certain level to allow the players in, and Kenya are below that level. (minimum ranking 50, Kenya are 84th).

[dim view]

Johnnyspireite7, on 09 July 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

Nothing, however work permit rules for football mean that the national team of the incoming player have to be above a certain level to allow the players in, and Kenya are below that level. (minimum ranking 50, Kenya are 84th).

So is that a universal work permit rule? For example, could a Kenyan kid go to an American or Chinese club?

[JonB]

We tried to sign a Kenyan lad once before and it fell though due to work permit. Think he ended up in Belgium where the rules are less strict hands why teams like Chelsea and Man U have links with clubs over there and other places in Europe. Buy them then loan to these clubs and if they look like they'd be good enough get them back when they qualify for a work permit.

It's something to do with international games played in a certain period of time amongst other things.

[lindave]

Good luck Dylan you helped do a great job with our youngsters.

[plannerj]

dim view, on 09 July 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

So is that a universal work permit rule? For example, could a Kenyan kid go to an American or Chinese club?

Countries have their own rules. The triallist with us was from Zimbabwe. Image the difficulty our administration would have had in making a case for his work permit to the Foreign Office.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

plannerj, on 09 July 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Countries have their own rules. The triallist with us was from Zimbabwe. Image the difficulty our administration would have had in making a case for his work permit to the Foreign Office.

We'd have been ok so long as we didn't want him to play in the FA cup

[moondog]

His new club on the appointment

http://gormahia.net/...ach-dylan-kerr/


He's likely to share his debut with Wayne Rooney

http://gormahia.net/...-on-daily-mail/

[dim view]

plannerj, on 09 July 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Countries have their own rules. The triallist with us was from Zimbabwe. Image the difficulty our administration would have had in making a case for his work permit to the Foreign Office.

there may well be EU considerations then. If France for example has a rule that allows Kenyans in, could they not travel and work here?

[ash_cfc]

plannerj, on 09 July 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Countries have their own rules. The triallist with us was from Zimbabwe. Image the difficulty our administration would have had in making a case for his work permit to the Foreign Office.

Honour Gombani

[plannerj]

dim view, on 09 July 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

there may well be EU considerations then. If France for example has a rule that allows Kenyans in, could they not travel and work here?

No!

[Cheshunt Spireite]

dim view, on 09 July 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

there may well be EU considerations then. If France for example has a rule that allows Kenyans in, could they not travel and work here?

No, the EU allows for free movement of EU citizens only, so if France allowed a non-EU national in it would have no effect on the individuals right to work in other countries. As the UK is outside the Schengen agreement it still has border controls for all entrants to the country.

[dalekpete]

plannerj, on 09 July 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Countries have their own rules. The triallist with us was from Zimbabwe. Image the difficulty our administration would have had in making a case for his work permit to the Foreign Office.

There are automatic work-permits for regular players with the top fifty ranked nations. This wouldn't often allow a club at our level to find recruits!

When Honour Gombami was on trial this rule extended to the top 75 nations so included Zimbabwe. Gombami had to have played half the internationals over the last two years for us to sign him. He duly provided a letter from the Zimbabwean FA to prove this. The Home Office pointed out that although they accepted that the "proof" came from the appropriate FA it bore no relation to the records of fifa and no permit was issued.

[dim view]

dalekpete, on 09 July 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

There are automatic work-permits for regular players with the top fifty ranked nations. This wouldn't often allow a club at our level to find recruits!

When Honour Gombami was on trial this rule extended to the top 75 nations so included Zimbabwe. Gombami had to have played half the internationals over the last two years for us to sign him. He duly provided a letter from the Zimbabwean FA to prove this. The Home Office pointed out that although they accepted that the "proof" came from the appropriate FA it bore no relation to the records of fifa and no permit was issued.

Sorry to be pedantic, but does that mean that no Kenyan lad, his country being outside the top 50, can seek trials/a contract abroad?

[JonB]

dim view, on 09 July 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

Sorry to be pedantic, but does that mean that no Kenyan lad, his country being outside the top 50, can seek trials/a contract abroad?

Different countries have different rules with ours being quite strict hence, as I said, why clubs like Chelsea and Man U have links to clubs in Europe to loan the players to until they have a better chance. Belgium is one example as their rules are quite relaxed and why Man U hooked up with Royal Antwerp and Chelsea are heavily involved on another Belgian club.

Kenyan lads can go and play in many countries but just more difficult to play here. That said it must be possible as Wanyama at Spurs is from Kenya I think.

This post has been edited by JonB: 09 July 2017 - 09:59 PM

[dalekpete]

dim view, on 09 July 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

Sorry to be pedantic, but does that mean that no Kenyan lad, his country being outside the top 50, can seek trials/a contract abroad?

The elite sportsperson permit will not be available but then it probably only covers about 1200 male footballers in the world.

That means a normal visa will be needed. I don't think the student and young persons ones allow you to be employed as a footballer. There are some easements because Kenya is in the Commonwealth but these depend on British ancestry.

[Spireite61]

Additionally if town were to sponsor an overseas player on a Tier 2 or 5 visa they would need to hold a sponsor licence, which they don't at the moment. They could thought I think sponsor someone on a Tier 5 Youth Mobility visa for a maximum of two years.

[dim view]

dalekpete, on 09 July 2017 - 10:06 PM, said:

The elite sportsperson permit will not be available but then it probably only covers about 1200 male footballers in the world.

That means a normal visa will be needed. I don't think the student and young persons ones allow you to be employed as a footballer. There are some easements because Kenya is in the Commonwealth but these depend on British ancestry.

Ta. It's all a bit academic but it passes the time of day.

It sounds really restrictive and unfair to me. A gifted young amateur Kenyan footballer comes over here to train as a nurse, gets spotted playing in a local park on a Sunday morning, and is unable to take the opportunity?

[JonB]

Its meant to be restrictive as the FA wanted to give chances to young english players a chance rather than clubs snapping up young folk from abroad and pushing the English lads out of the game. Problem is clubs get round it a bit by getting the players anyway, farming them off to their European club until they qualify for a work permit properly or qualify for a passport that means they dont need one. Partly why the likes of Porto and Benfica make a fortune flogging Sth Americans for ridiculous amounts having snapped them up for next to nowt as kids.