[Doughnut]

dalekpete, on Aug 11 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

Yes but when the CB heads it in I am in front of the ball and, with no defenders on the post, have only one man, the keeper, between me and the goal. With an absolute rule I am off-side.

Surely there must have been a ruling stating you can't be offside from a corner when it is initially struck (as SB suggested) which would satisfy your scenario?

I would just like something to be done to simplify the rulings for everyone so there is less controversy.

[Sammy Spireite]

Doughnut, on Aug 11 2008, 02:02 PM, said:

Surely there must have been a ruling stating you can't be offside from a corner when it is initially struck (as SB suggested) which would satisfy your scenario?

I would just like something to be done to simplify the rulings for everyone so there is less controversy.

No, the rule that states the ball must go forwards for 'the offside rule' to be activated.

ie from a corner its impossible to play the ball forwards.

The rules about shooting and being in an offside postition were always a little hazy before the new 'active' rule and players were generally only flagged as being offside if the shot came back off keeper or woodwork. If a shot went in, it USUALLY stood.

This post has been edited by Sammy Spireite: 11 August 2008 - 01:16 PM

[psyman]

spireiteblue, on Aug 11 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulat...02/05/12115.htm

It is still hazy today read the first line of this lol..

"It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position."

Un believable lol....

Not too sure about it being hazy. If you read that I think the rule makes sense.

Just wish the folk who sit near me in the Family Stand would read it!

I get so fed up every week when they start shouting for offside, when its a player who is patently not interfering with play, and then spend the next 5 minutes giving the lino gip about his poor decision (although it's been better since the lino ran off the left back, not the right - they realise he can't hear them ).

[Doughnut]

Sammy Spireite, on Aug 11 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

No, the rule that states the ball must go forwards for 'the offside rule' to be activated.

ie from a corner its impossible to play the ball forwards.

The rules about shooting and being in an offside postition were always a little hazy before the new 'active' rule and players were generally only flagged as being offside if the shot came back off keeper or woodwork. If a shot went in, it USUALLY stood.

Thanks for that.

That would enable the goal to stand in the scenario Dalek Pete posted earlier.

[sophocles]

Saltergate Stu, on Aug 11 2008, 12:57 AM, said:

After the offside rule was first brought in it was still possible to handle (but not catch) the ball, hack lumps out of your opponents and play with fourteen men. That it is one of the oldest rules associated with the game indicates to me that the game must have been gash without it. I can't see that it'd stretch play - I can see teams sticking six defenders in their six yard box and four forwards in their opponents' box, with the ball being punted long from one goalmouth to the other. There's no offside in basketball, as far as I'm aware, and what a numbingly repetitive game that is.

I like the rule as it stands. I think I understand it and can read most situations. I too don't buy this guff about not understanding it from people within the game; its just convenient to say that, rather than accept that a decision might have been right, under the current laws. I do not want to go back to the days when technically limited but well-drilled defenders could absolutely strangle a game by taking two paces forward and sticking their hands in the air. It seems to me that there's far less of that about than there was 20 years ago, and that has to be a good thing.

Well that obviously WOULD stretch play then, as opposed to what we currently have so often now with 20 players crammed into a strip 15 yards either side of the halfway line, and everybody tripping over each other. Teams could still choose to pass and move if they wanted, rather than 'lumping it', and they'd have more room to do it. The offside rule was born in the days of mudbath pitches/ploughed fields, gigantic boots, brylcreemed hair, and leather caseballs weighing roughly the same as a cannonball. The game has changed since then in almost every way, and the antiquated offside rule needs ditching in my opinion. For heaven's sake - it's there to STOP teams scoring more goals .. idiotic or what?

[dalekpete]

Doughnut, on Aug 11 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

Thanks for that.

That would enable the goal to stand in the scenario Dalek Pete posted earlier.

It goes forward off the CB's head thus leaving me offside...

[Geordieblue]

[quote name='Sammy Spireite' date='Aug 11 2008, 02:16 PM' post='249399']
ie from a corner its impossible to play the ball forwards.

Trust me mate, its not impossible......i've done it more than once!

[Doughnut]

dalekpete, on Aug 11 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

It goes forward off the CB's head thus leaving me offside...

I see your point. You can't guarantee the corner taker will have moved behind the position of the deepest defender by the time the CB has headed the ball goalwards.

Would you rather the current rule be left as it is?

[Wooden Spoon]

dalekpete, on Aug 11 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

It goes forward off the CB's head thus leaving me offside...

You cant be offside if played from an opponent though...

[Wooden Spoon]

spireiteblue, on Aug 12 2008, 12:45 AM, said:

I would hate to take a corner where the oppostion don't man the posts and my CB heads home only for my position to cancel the "goal".

From Pete the cb is if u like Downes our player,but jeezus wept you cannot be ofside from a ruddy corner lol........

Ah, i miss understood the scenarion DP put forward.

[Doughnut]

spireiteblue, on Aug 11 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

The only time you can be offside from a corner is if the ball has been played out by us or a defender and the ball is played back in and Pete is still stood on the goal line or the last man forward lol...

The current rule has been in force since 1881 lol...for corners anyway,whers my hammer and chisel...

You can put the hammer and chisel away SB. I only stated I understood the point DP was making. I'd already posted that the ruling you mentioned earlier cleared things up.