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Search & Destroy, on 25 May 2024 - 02:41 PM, said:

Hope your kids and grandkids dont hold that against you later...

Bet you vote for the party that is best for you and sod the rest too...

Johnnyspireite7, on 25 May 2024 - 01:10 PM, said:

You can be intelligent and not be good at admitting you are in the wrong. I've worked for a fair few of them!

But everyone is now saying we need lower taxes, more growth, which is exactly what she was saying and still is, she just wasnt a good politician and didnt take the city / BoE / rest of country with her on her plans first...

Unlike Boris though I believe she had a plan and set of principles beyond getting in power and appeasing the masses with sound bites whilst p*****g all over their chips when he though no one was looking...

Search & Destroy, on 25 May 2024 - 09:20 AM, said:

IF the article has picked specific stats in order to show a certain view then yes its racist. If Somalians have the same crime rate as Germans who occupy the same socio economic groups / backgrounds, then yes its racist as its cherry picking stats to make a race related point.

It could then be argued that by not checking if the source you are quoting is displaying racial prejudice then by doing the same you are also perpetrating racial prejudice...

My view is that expecting people to stay in war torn 3rd world countries is selfish and what we should be doing is giving them the opportunity to improve their life here by processing them quickly, giving them the chance to work, earn a living and provide for their families. However if they misbehave in the first 12 / 24 / 36 months then they run the risk of being deported as we gave them a chance and they messed up...

Might also provide the workforce and the growing population that the country needs as otherwise with a declining birth rate and an ageing population, the saying "you never had it so good" wont just be Tooley talking about the football club and your kids and grandkids will maybe wish they did have some people here from war torn countries or whatever religion to boost the economy...

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 May 2024 - 10:45 AM, said:

Just remember you havent won the first one yet... I read this morning that Hunt the **** wants to cut taxes for higher earners, now deciding that the 60% band between 100k and 125k is unreasonable - no *** Sherlock, how come you didnt spot that when in power. Reeves wants to cut taxes for workers - great, where is the money coming from given all the new stuff they are doing...

Truss' unfunded budget might be small fry if any of them keep their promises..

By the way, on the waste of money front, every MP employs their own team so the calling of an election means all of them get made redundant.. and then the new MP picks their own. Madness, why not have constituency teams that work for the constituency and have some continuity on handover. All the case files that are in play get closed, so if you had a complaint or issue in your MP was dealing with and they dont win the election, you will be starting again...including any of the dozens that are standing down!

I think Truss and Sunak are probably decent sorts and pretty intelligent, just not great at politics rather than doing the right thing. Reeves is telling everyone she understands the economy as she worked at the BoE - at a time when the BoE is getting slated from all sides for not being on top of its job...

I think its like the Cup Final... can the ref win!

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 May 2024 - 06:28 AM, said:

The Lib Dems arent going to win and nor are Reform so I'm less bothered by their policies and ideas currently, the same can probably be said of the Tories. I am bothered about Labour as they are likely to be the biggest party and so far are saying vote for us for change but everything to do with finances will be the same and stable.... so I'm confused...

No anti Labour prejudice, they are the party I have voted more for in my life than any other. But if they are going to win I want them to be chosen for what they will do not ABC (anyone but conservative, thanks s42!)

so what I want to know is how will they solve the NHS, how will they appoint all these new teachers, where will the wonderful new border force come from that will be so different from the existing one - and how will they pay for it all given the country has the highest tax take ever and we are pretty broke...

And yes pensions are relevant because the govt is paying for them for a select few - and we cant afford it... and yet we are going to appoint loads more people to jobs that get them....but we arent going to bankrupt the country...

Comments on the others? Reform are just bigots, I dont even listen to what Farage says. Have the Lib Dems started campaigning yet, Davey is useless and will never make inroads as he has no personality. I'd rather Daisy Cooper was given the limelight.... As for Reece Mogg, hopefully he loses and then we dont have to hear him slagging off his own because he didnt get his own way.

As for the Tories being in this mess because they got rid of Boris, they are in this mess because they ever appointed him. Lazy, untrustworthy, soundbite leadership with no consideration for the wider impact of what he was doing. Sunak was on a hiding to nothing as Truss showed. It will do them good to watch from the side for a bit whilst they get their principles and ideas back. Labour have had 14 years to do that and yet all I see is "you can trust us, we will do popular things, but we wont be financially irresponsible but we cant tell you where the money will come from. The one number I have heard - from VAT on private schools - is pie in the sky because if the schools pass on the fee increase then there will be a rush to state schools - numbers starting private school already down as a result of the risk. I'd say that will be unlikely to raise any noticeable money... so black hole number 1....

As for my vote, almost certainly tactical. We have a Tory MP who has been in seat for years, a very active Labour candidate (who does a lot of talking to train companies it seems, very important down here), and I havent heard from anyone else yet... so will see what the options are on the day. Its great having freedom of choice, listening to what they say, challenging what they dont.... as someone earlier said, the days of voting for a party because my grandad did are over for most...