[sophocles]

Unless I've missed it, I've not noticed anyone querying the wisdom of letting Stuckmann go. I know opinion is divided, and he made one or two blunders, but I feel he did, on the whole, a very good job for us. In my view, he commanded his area better than Tommy, and that is a quality we will certainly need in L2 next season where we will almost certainly be subjected to more crosses aimed at a big CF. Stuckmann made some excellent saves in addition to stopping 3 out of 4 penalties - how many keepers have a 75% penalty success rate? We don't even know if Tommy will be back to full fitness for pre-season, and I haven't seen anybody else who can come close to Stuckmann, so unless somebody better is in the pipeline, we could have a weakness in a vital area for next season. Now I know there are areas all over the pitch that we can justifiably be worried about, but a decent keeper is absolutely crucial. I, for one, think Stuckmann has been one of the few positives for us, and I'd have been happy to see him given another season, even if Tommy does return to fitness.

[Essex_Spireite]

Would Stuckmann have been content sitting on the bench and vice versa for Tommy? I assume a goalkeeper will come in on loan from a higher club, with Dylan Parkin going out on loan.

Perhaps in January if Parkin has played well and proved himself he will come back and be the back up keeper to Tommy.

[brianclose]

sophocles, on 02 May 2017 - 02:00 PM, said:

Unless I've missed it, I've not noticed anyone querying the wisdom of letting Stuckmann go. I know opinion is divided, and he made one or two blunders, but I feel he did, on the whole, a very good job for us. In my view, he commanded his area better than Tommy, and that is a quality we will certainly need in L2 next season where we will almost certainly be subjected to more crosses aimed at a big CF. Stuckmann made some excellent saves in addition to stopping 3 out of 4 penalties - how many keepers have a 75% penalty success rate? We don't even know if Tommy will be back to full fitness for pre-season, and I haven't seen anybody else who can come close to Stuckmann, so unless somebody better is in the pipeline, we could have a weakness in a vital area for next season. Now I know there are areas all over the pitch that we can justifiably be worried about, but a decent keeper is absolutely crucial. I, for one, think Stuckmann has been one of the few positives for us, and I'd have been happy to see him given another season, even if Tommy does return to fitness.

Agree I think he was a gnats away from earning a new deal. Probably his age and letting in that late Sheff U trickler on Sunday made Caldwells mind up for him.

[Spire-Heights]

The decision regarding Stuckmann was made prior to Sheffield United game. Just because a contract wasn't offered, doesn't mean the manager didn't want him to stay. Maybe a chat was had between manager and player weeks ago regarding the players intentions moving forward, therefore no official offer made as the player had already confirmed what he wanted and CFC wasn't where he wanted to be.

Just a thought....

This post has been edited by Spire-Heights: 02 May 2017 - 02:57 PM

[Sammy Spireite]

Ex-Spireite GK Adam Smith is a free agent after being released by Northampton.

[Westbars Spireite]

Being good at saving penalties should be a bonus only. From what I've seen he's too slow to get down and moving around his box.

[dtp]

Made far to many mistakes resulting in goals for the opposition. I agree with GC on releasing him.

[sophocles]

dtp, on 02 May 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

Made far to many mistakes resulting in goals for the opposition. I agree with GC on releasing him.

I think that's a very harsh judgement considering the excuse for a team he had in front of him. However people judge him, it still begs the question of who we've got who is better than Stuckmann?

[Westbars Spireite]

sophocles, on 02 May 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

I think that's a very harsh judgement considering the excuse for a team he had in front of him. However people judge him, it still begs the question of who we've got who is better than Stuckmann?

Tommy. Next question.

[Valley Blues]

Westbars Spireite, on 02 May 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Tommy. Next question.

Providing he comes back the same player after over a year out. Fingers crossed.

[dim view]

Valley Blues, on 02 May 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Providing he comes back the same player after over a year out. Fingers crossed.

Management and player will presumably agree on a date by which Tommy has to pass a demanding fitness test some time in pre-season. No need to panic about making a decision before then. Stuckman might still be available as an option then.

[sophocles]

Westbars Spireite, on 02 May 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Tommy. Next question.

I'd have thought there are several 'next questions' which should be obvious to everyone. For example, how well will Tommy recover from his injury AND his incredibly long absence from competitive football? Following on from that, who do we have on the books who is capable of adequately taking Tommy's place? You, IMO, along with others, are guilty of exaggerating Tommy's ability more and more the longer his absence becomes. I'm a Tommy Lee admirer, and have always backed and supported him, but let's not pretend that he didn't have his faults , in particular being very weak with high balls into our area. I think a fair comparison between Tommy Lee and Thorsten Stuckmann would conclude that they are both good L1/2 goalkeepers, with differing strengths and weaknesses, not forgetting that they would be playing at a higher level if they didn't have faults.

[azul]

sophocles, on 02 May 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

I'd have thought there are several 'next questions' which should be obvious to everyone. For example, how well will Tommy recover from his injury AND his incredibly long absence from competitive football? Following on from that, who do we have on the books who is capable of adequately taking Tommy's place? You, IMO, along with others, are guilty of exaggerating Tommy's ability more and more the longer his absence becomes. I'm a Tommy Lee admirer, and have always backed and supported him, but let's not pretend that he didn't have his faults , in particular being very weak with high balls into our area. I think a fair comparison between Tommy Lee and Thorsten Stuckmann would conclude that they are both good L1/2 goalkeepers, with differing strengths and weaknesses, not forgetting that they would be playing at a higher level if they didn't have faults.

I can see the goalkeeper situation being next years playing side disaster

[Spireiteboy155]

azul, on 02 May 2017 - 10:37 PM, said:

I can see the goalkeeper situation being ONE OF next years playing side disaster

Sorted that for you.
You're welcome.

[SatNav21]

Much better goal keepers available but they weren't available at the time we needed one

[dtp]

sophocles, on 02 May 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

I think that's a very harsh judgement considering the excuse for a team he had in front of him. However people judge him, it still begs the question of who we've got who is better than Stuckmann?

No. The question is - can we start the season with a better keeper? I think the answer is "Yes".

I've never understood this love in for Stuckman.

[Brookie]

Stuckman was a better option than Fulton but not a long term option, and despite his previous record there has to be some concerns about Lee and his fitness in terms of mobility with his shoulder

[martatcross]

Stuckmann filled a gap because Allinson and Fulton where deemed not good enough. For me Caldwell just didn't have any other option only Stuckmann but probably would have preferred someone else given the chance. Now is that chance.

[Sammy Spireite]

martatcross, on 03 May 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

Stuckmann filled a gap because Allinson and Fulton where deemed not good enough. For me Caldwell just didn't have any other option only Stuckmann but probably would have preferred someone else given the chance. Now is that chance.

Stuckmann had been with us before the window closed, yet didn't sign until well after so presumably GC, knowing he felt he needed another keeper, did have a look elsewhere while TS had the chance to prove himself in training etc.

Presumably, finance would have been a major factor in him being signed, too.

[sophocles]

martatcross, on 03 May 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

Stuckmann filled a gap because Allinson and Fulton where deemed not good enough. For me Caldwell just didn't have any other option only Stuckmann but probably would have preferred someone else given the chance. Now is that chance.

Well at the moment I don't see that other option, especially if Tommy isn't somehow miraculously restored instantly to full fitness. Maybe you could point out the better options. Letting a good keeper go at this moment in time could, IMO, prove to be a big mistake (in keeping with all the others).