If It Ain't Broke...
#1
Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:34 PM
One win in six? Yeah, but that didn't tell the whole story: Oldham - shared the spoils with an upwardly mobile team awarded a controversial penno: Bristol City - universally applauded for pushing the runaway and unbeaten league leaders all the way: Blunts - could've been a real hammering but late goals dictated by circumstance flattered the visitors: Notts - only the brilliance of 'keeper Roy Carroll won the hard to beat County a point: Donny - rampant Town did everything but draw during a thrilling second half onslaught: PNE - ditto, but this time grabbed a fully deserved leveller.
Subsequently I was puzzled to hear Cook speak of issues within the camp and a supposed lack of balance after Saturday, bewilderment that's turned to genuine concern in the light of the last twenty four hours. Dropping our most creative player? A performance described by some as workmanlike? More comments inferring criticism of certain players? It's just not the CFC I've got used to over recent months.
I can understand if the Manager is seeking to snuff out the goals against, to become more solid as he suggested post Colchester, but in doing so I hope he remembers the old adage about not trying to mend something that isn't broken.
#2
Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:40 PM
#3
Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:41 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 22 October 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:
One win in six? Yeah, but that didn't tell the whole story: Oldham - shared the spoils with an upwardly mobile team awarded a controversial penno: Bristol City - universally applauded for pushing the runaway and unbeaten league leaders all the way: Blunts - could've been a real hammering but late goals dictated by circumstance flattered the visitors: Notts - only the brilliance of 'keeper Roy Carroll won the hard to beat County a point: Donny - rampant Town did everything but draw during a thrilling second half onslaught: PNE - ditto, but this time grabbed a fully deserved leveller.
Subsequently I was puzzled to hear Cook speak of issues within the camp and a supposed lack of balance after Saturday, bewilderment that's turned to genuine concern in the light of the last twenty four hours. Dropping our most creative player? A performance described by some as workmanlike? More comments inferring criticism of certain players? It's just not the CFC I've got used to over recent months.
I can understand if the Manager is seeking to snuff out the goals against, to become more solid as he suggested post Colchester, but in doing so I hope he remembers the old adage about not trying to mend something that isn't broken.
I think there are 2 things going on
1) a manager concerned by goals conceded
2) A manager who is concerned about the departure of our loan player from Villa.
#4
Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:42 PM
a kick in the balls, on 22 October 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:
1) a manager concerned by goals conceded
2) A manager who is concerned about the departure of our loan player from Villa.
3) I think you've hit the nail on the head!
#5
Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:51 PM
#6
Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:56 PM
Forever a Spireite, on 22 October 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:
IMO your reading far too much into it
#8
Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:06 PM
a kick in the balls, on 22 October 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:
1) a manager concerned by goals conceded
2) A manager who is concerned about the departure of our loan player from Villa.
Re number 2, in his pre match interview, Cook seemed to be in a fit of pique regarding Johnson having to return soon, almost as if hadn't realised it was so soon (surely not) or 'I will show the Chairman how much we need to replace him' or talks had opened with Villa about having him from January to the end of the season, and had been met with a firm 'no chance'.
I just don't understand why he couldn't keep starting with Johnson until his time is up. At worst he could have replaced him after say 70 minutes with his proposed replacement.
This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 22 October 2014 - 07:07 PM
#9
Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:06 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 22 October 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:
One win in six? Yeah, but that didn't tell the whole story: Oldham - shared the spoils with an upwardly mobile team awarded a controversial penno: Bristol City - universally applauded for pushing the runaway and unbeaten league leaders all the way: Blunts - could've been a real hammering but late goals dictated by circumstance flattered the visitors: Notts - only the brilliance of 'keeper Roy Carroll won the hard to beat County a point: Donny - rampant Town did everything but draw during a thrilling second half onslaught: PNE - ditto, but this time grabbed a fully deserved leveller.
Subsequently I was puzzled to hear Cook speak of issues within the camp and a supposed lack of balance after Saturday, bewilderment that's turned to genuine concern in the light of the last twenty four hours. Dropping our most creative player? A performance described by some as workmanlike? More comments inferring criticism of certain players? It's just not the CFC I've got used to over recent months.
I can understand if the Manager is seeking to snuff out the goals against, to become more solid as he suggested post Colchester, but in doing so I hope he remembers the old adage about not trying to mend something that isn't broken.
It's only broken in the sense that the wide men need to cover when the Full Backs break forward. They must be more than adequate re the tough defensive duty as we cannot afford Morsy or Ryan to get dragged out of position. Clucas and Boco seem to fit the bill, and Roberts has been working his bits off. Alas, O'Shea - it simply isn't his game.
This post has been edited by Dotty Com: 22 October 2014 - 07:08 PM
#10
Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:31 PM
Dotty Com, on 22 October 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:
I'm not sure I agree with that one. We have two defensive midfielders so naturally they have to muck in with defensive duties if the fullback is caught up field. Basically they have to tuck in to allow the fullback time to recover. Also with our attacking fullbacks not being so great defensively, they need to do a bit more for me. There is no reason to me why they shouldn't be required to help out more on their side of the pitch. IF we played with just the one holding midfielder then that would be different.
This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 22 October 2014 - 07:32 PM
#11
Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:53 PM
#12
Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:54 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 22 October 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:
...but the concession of poor goals throughout means summat has always been broken, masked up to recently by Doyle's prolific performances. The manager is right to be concerned. I would simply find a defensive midfielder to play behind Morsy and Ryan, and put them further up the pitch. Leaving 3 against 3 for their first goal last night was madness.
#13
Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:56 PM
Phil V 72, on 22 October 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:
Agreed. Okay all teams would like to bolster their weaker positions with a player or two and we are no different; other than that a few tweaks as you say would suffice. Agree with Cook’s assessment that we don’t look right as a team out of possession (in possession, well that's a different matter as we look as good if not better than anyone in this league).
#14
Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:05 PM
Forever a Spireite, on 22 October 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:
That's the one game so far this season when I came away gutted, It's frustrating to see our defence shipping in so many goals. Where has our bite gone,we seem to back pedal so much what's up with the old getting stuck in mentality.We get easily wrong footed and the lack of backup for the fullbacks has been our undoing on many occasions.For most of the first half last night all Colchester did was try to pump balls over the top.When we play with a fast tempo passing the ball around on the floor we can beat anybody,,with or without Roberts or Johnson (when these 2 are on song we can be unplayable.Apart from the wind makin life difficult for both teams, I think we contributed to our own downfall when we left out Johnno (why?, and played Banks ahead of Gardner (I think he could have been the perfect foil for Doyle,he nearly levelled the score in the last minute after a powerful run and shot brilliantly saved.It's no time to panic just yet,but we'll see if the players have the bottle and Cooke the tactical nouse to get us on a 3 match winning run before the cup break.(I believe they have).
#15
Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:25 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 22 October 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:
One win in six? Yeah, but that didn't tell the whole story: Oldham - shared the spoils with an upwardly mobile team awarded a controversial penno: Bristol City - universally applauded for pushing the runaway and unbeaten league leaders all the way: Blunts - could've been a real hammering but late goals dictated by circumstance flattered the visitors: Notts - only the brilliance of 'keeper Roy Carroll won the hard to beat County a point: Donny - rampant Town did everything but draw during a thrilling second half onslaught: PNE - ditto, but this time grabbed a fully deserved leveller.
Subsequently I was puzzled to hear Cook speak of issues within the camp and a supposed lack of balance after Saturday, bewilderment that's turned to genuine concern in the light of the last twenty four hours. Dropping our most creative player? A performance described by some as workmanlike? More comments inferring criticism of certain players? It's just not the CFC I've got used to over recent months.
I can understand if the Manager is seeking to snuff out the goals against, to become more solid as he suggested post Colchester, but in doing so I hope he remembers the old adage about not trying to mend something that isn't broken.
Shades of last season when we lost morsy and one or two more....he kept tinkering with the team trying different formations then, looks at the moment that he may start going down this route again ....lets hope he sees sense picks his best 11 each week and lets them play the football we are getting used to....the wins will come as we cut out the silly mistakes that have cost us....
This post has been edited by spireitetoo: 22 October 2014 - 08:25 PM
#16
Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:57 PM
spireitetoo, on 22 October 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:
Spot on.. Learn to defend better (that's all the tinkering we need)
#17
Posted 23 October 2014 - 07:22 AM
dim view, on 22 October 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:
Morsy and Ryan are the defensive midfielders....if you are playing someone behind them and moving them up the pitch i can only assume you are dropping the central attacking midfielder which either means we have more up the pitch as you have the two wingers and Morsy & Ryan further up the pitch which leaves us less defensive cover or we have three deep central midfielders so we dont get exposed then it leaves Doyle completely isolated as no one is central to push on near him unless the wingers come in to do it meaning we lose width.
#18
Posted 23 October 2014 - 08:47 AM
#19
Posted 23 October 2014 - 09:09 AM
MDCCCLXVI, on 22 October 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:
One win in six? Yeah, but that didn't tell the whole story: Oldham - shared the spoils with an upwardly mobile team awarded a controversial penno: Bristol City - universally applauded for pushing the runaway and unbeaten league leaders all the way: Blunts - could've been a real hammering but late goals dictated by circumstance flattered the visitors: Notts - only the brilliance of 'keeper Roy Carroll won the hard to beat County a point: Donny - rampant Town did everything but draw during a thrilling second half onslaught: PNE - ditto, but this time grabbed a fully deserved leveller.
Subsequently I was puzzled to hear Cook speak of issues within the camp and a supposed lack of balance after Saturday, bewilderment that's turned to genuine concern in the light of the last twenty four hours. Dropping our most creative player? A performance described by some as workmanlike? More comments inferring criticism of certain players? It's just not the CFC I've got used to over recent months.
I can understand if the Manager is seeking to snuff out the goals against, to become more solid as he suggested post Colchester, but in doing so I hope he remembers the old adage about not trying to mend something that isn't broken.
IT AINT BROKE CHRIS MATE BUT ITS LIKE A CUP OF MINE CRACKED AND becoming very fragile