The End Of Brexit?
#1
Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:58 PM
Please please please let this be finally over. Sick of hearing about it on the news everyday.
I personally am a strong Brexit supporter but I much prefer this deal to no deal. Your thoughts?
#2
Posted 17 October 2019 - 03:50 PM
He told me he didn't want my £20 but if I really wanted to give it to him, he'd give me a tenner for it.
I told him to sod off.
For three years I've spent a lot of money and time in arguing with him about the deal.
Now I have sorted it and persuaded him to up his offer of a tenner! Result! I win!
Now he say's he'll give me £15 for my £20.
Result! I was only going to get a tenner for my £20 and now I'm going to get £15.
I've won!
I showed him eh!
and that, my friend is Brexit.
#3
Posted 17 October 2019 - 03:52 PM
#4
Posted 17 October 2019 - 04:29 PM
Brexiters promised better pairs of britches to hang 'round those legs.
However when it became clear those better britches would never appear the same Brexiters declared: 'Ha-hah! The dastardly EU tyrants are to blame so if they don't give us what we want we'll cut off our legs - that'll really show 'em!'.
And many of those who originally thought they'd be getting better britches replied: 'Yeah, that's exactly what seventeen million people voted for! No legs! No legs! No legs!...'.
So Teresa May negotiated a deal that left us with one and a half legs only to be told: 'Traitor! Sell out! Collaborator! The British people want no legs!'.
At which point a Churchillian Boris DePiffle Johnson took to the stage telling everyone he'd ensure their legs were well and truly chopped. Regardless of a supposedly powerless Parliament being, well, powerful. Regardless of supposedly powerless judges being, well, powerful. Regardless of supposedly powerless laws being, well, powerful. Those legs were going on Halloween 'do or die'. Or be 'dead in a ditch'. And it certainly, definitely, absolutely wouldn't be the leg and a half deal agreed by his predecessor.
Well now we know it isn't. It's his very own one legged compromise. Or to use his favourite word 'surrender'. Problem is he and all his millionaire mates will still have the two legs they started with AND better britches to hang 'round 'em. It's just the ordinary British people who'll be hopping around in sweatshop jeans.
But hey, at least one group had their 'no legs' wishes granted.
The DUP...
This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 17 October 2019 - 04:36 PM
#5
Posted 17 October 2019 - 04:32 PM
#6
Posted 17 October 2019 - 04:48 PM
Mr Mercury, on 17 October 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:
Spot on.
#7
Posted 17 October 2019 - 06:16 PM
SAVE A LIFE
#8
Posted 17 October 2019 - 06:50 PM
Mr Mercury, on 17 October 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:
Can I talk this through with somebody please?
My understanding is that Juncker has publicly said today that he will veto any attempt to delay Brexit.
So...
If Johnson loses the vote on Saturday, he is mandated to send a totally useless letter to the EU asking for an extension,and will gleefully do so.
Then what?
Juncker could delay his veto until Halloween and we leave with no deal.
He could register his veto by return of post next Monday. What do the Opposition do then? Their only option is to revoke Article 50 by taking command of the Order paper.
Another angle on this is that Johnson can now agree a secret internal financial deal with the DUP which is of no interest to EU members. He then surprises Parliament with news that the DUP is onside, and he wins the vote.
Brilliant strategy.
#9
Posted 17 October 2019 - 06:56 PM
Mr Mercury, on 17 October 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:
The British people were conned. We'll all be much the poorer. Cameron should be hung drawn and quartered; we're left with an Old Etonion, multi millionare buffoon masquerading as some sort of man of the people. Now that's a disgrace.
#10
Posted 17 October 2019 - 07:02 PM
dim view, on 17 October 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:
To revolve article 50 they would have to repeal the act that enabled it. I’m not sure that would in itself get through the house.
If the stark choice of this deal or no deal....backed by Junkers words then BJ gets it through, no doubt with a sweetener dangled afore the DUP. Boris wins.
#11
Posted 17 October 2019 - 07:21 PM
There will be a GE and unless the Conservatives win easily with a working majority (which they won’t) it’ll go on and on and on
#12
Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:28 PM
dim view, on 17 October 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:
My understanding is that Juncker has publicly said today that he will veto any attempt to delay Brexit.
So...
If Johnson loses the vote on Saturday, he is mandated to send a totally useless letter to the EU asking for an extension,and will gleefully do so.
Then what?
Juncker could delay his veto until Halloween and we leave with no deal.
He could register his veto by return of post next Monday. What do the Opposition do then? Their only option is to revoke Article 50 by taking command of the Order paper.
Another angle on this is that Johnson can now agree a secret internal financial deal with the DUP which is of no interest to EU members. He then surprises Parliament with news that the DUP is onside, and he wins the vote.
Brilliant strategy.
not so brilliant. the EU are open to an extension.
#13
Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:57 PM
Johnson says we'll be out by Halloween 'cos he has to.
But both will find some sorta small print to hide behind if things go south on Sat'di.
And opposition MP's passing his plan if it's linked to a second vote isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
So what happened to the no deal Johnson and his supporters were still insisting on only days ago? Or the two borders thing he originally proposed?
Well there're reports senior security staff - and we're talking folk who can't be dismissed as 'project fear', here - told Johnson any Irish infrastructure would be targetted by disident factions. There really would be people 'dead in a ditch'. So as even this ultra-egotistical old Etonian doesn't want to become the Prime Minister who revived the IRA there was a re-think.
We can only hope such thinking becomes a habit...
#14
Posted 18 October 2019 - 09:59 AM
AllTownArentWe, on 17 October 2019 - 02:58 PM, said:
This post has been edited by Rodney's Moustache: 18 October 2019 - 10:01 AM
#15
Posted 18 October 2019 - 10:25 AM
Sorry to ask the awkward question again... and again... and again....and again
but I'm still waiting on any form of answer from anyone who posts on here about winning and scare stories and remoaners and surrender and the like...
#16
Posted 18 October 2019 - 03:39 PM
Because instead of guaranteeing the UK parallels at least the worst EU standards, Johnson's now offering some vague pledges which more or less say 'Trust Us'. Yup, British workers should place their trust in a Dominic Raab, Priti Patel and Liz Truss (to name just three) who co-authored a book dubbing them 'among the worst idlers in the world' and 'preferring a lie in to hard work'.
No? Okay, here y'go: https://www.mirror.c...c-raab-12883639
Now there was absolutely no need to downgrade that chapter of the agreement. No pressure whatsoever from the EU. Indeed they'd prefer the UK didn't become home to sweat shops which will undercut their factories. So we can only conclude Johnson did it himself. Either because he's one of the hard-line headbangers who use euphemisms like 'cutting red tape' when they really mean 'cutting wages and protections' or to sugar coat a deal the ERG - populated by the worst of them - had previously rejected.
But y'know what? I'm probably wasting my time, here. I'm sure those who were insisting 'no deal is better than a bad deal' this time last week yet are today dubbing Johnson some Messiah, who parroted claims of 'simple technological solutions' to the Irish border issue which never emerged, who touted WTO rules as serious alternative or met any and every mention of Project Yellowhammer with taunts of 'project fear' will ignore the above as they've ignored every other warning.
Infact I'm sure it'll still be the fault of remainers when their own employer tells them they'll be working longer for less or simply laughs when they suffer a serious injury at work...
This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 18 October 2019 - 03:43 PM
#17
Posted 18 October 2019 - 05:00 PM
dart in the crossbar, on 18 October 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:
May I refer you to my postS since 2014.
#18
Posted 18 October 2019 - 08:46 PM
So, in the real world how will the typical family benefit?
In 2020 the average British family will see the benefits of leaving the EU in the following way....
over to you
#19
Posted 18 October 2019 - 10:43 PM
dart in the crossbar, on 18 October 2019 - 08:46 PM, said:
I refer you to the answer given above.
#20
Posted 19 October 2019 - 06:57 AM
dart in the crossbar, on 18 October 2019 - 08:46 PM, said:
So, in the real world how will the typical family benefit?
In 2020 the average British family will see the benefits of leaving the EU in the following way....
over to you
Irrelevant for the moment and nobody knows the answer anyway.
Johnson should simply stand up today, ask each MP to search their conscience about the distance they have strayed from their very first thought after hearing the result of the referendum, and sit down.