[Search & Destroy]

https://www.google.c...-Palestine.html

[turrhall]

Honestly, who cares

[Wooden Spoon]

Spread to the West Bank now.



Driver threw grenades at a Israeli army patrol who shot him dead and blew up the car.



Is real need to reign it in.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 18 May 2021 - 10:18 AM, said:

That’s not what I said. I’m saying they should be targeting military targets if they want to be freedom fighters/resistance instead of terrorists. Their rockets are based on the old soviet Katyusha.



Nor was I defending Israel - far from it.




As for the the arguments about Harris and Hiroshima - different era, different type of conflict. Try to keep it current. It’s exactly because of the cloud that hangs over events such as Dresden that great efforts are taken to try to avoid targeting and causing civilian casualties. Probably the last war to target civilians was the Yugoslav civil wars. And no thinks positively of those events do they.

Think the only comparisons we can draw with WW2 are those of resistance fighters in occupied Europe.

Who themselves were dubbed terrorists by the Nazis. As were Allied flyers bombing their cities.

But then can or should we begin to even to mention the Isrealis and Nazis in the same post?

Surely that's wrong on pretty much every level.

Let' say it again, though; when a power oppresses people they'll hit back with whatever they have. Then the more that power hits back itself, the more misery they create and the more the oppressed seek revenge.

Like it or not Isreal are the dominant power in that region. So maybe if there're echoes of how their forefathers were treated they ought to be looking at themselves...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 18 May 2021 - 06:04 PM

[oldgoat]

Well said one of your most concise and true posts

[Search & Destroy]

turrhall, on 18 May 2021 - 03:44 PM, said:

Honestly, who cares

Right wing coppers get sacked don’t they?

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

1621361013[/url]' post='1582931']
Think the only comparisons we can draw with WW2 are those of resistance fighters in occupied Europe.

Who themselves were dubbed terrorists by the Nazis. As were Allied flyers bombing their cities.

But then can or should we begin to even to mention the Isrealis and Nazis in the same post?

Surely that's wrong on pretty much every level.

Let' say it again, though; when a power oppresses people they'll hit back with whatever they have. Then the more that power hits back itself, the more misery they create and the more the oppressed seek revenge.

Like it or not Isreal are the dominant power in that region. So maybe if there're echoes of how their forefathers were treated they ought to be looking at themselves...

That’s a fair point. Resistance fighters in WW2.



Can we mention nazis and Israelis in the same sentence....touchy subject, but then the Israelis should be more sympathetically disposed than anyone else to crammed areas full of displaced refugees, and having land confiscated shouldn’t they.

[turrhall]

Search and Destroy, on 18 May 2021 - 06:09 PM, said:

Right wing coppers get sacked don’t they?

lol no

[Goku]

https://www.theguard...sts-and-strikes

How desperate do you have to be to be using sticks and stones vs guns? Anyone trying to paint this as some sort of fair fight is morally bankrupt

[Wooden Spoon]

Goku said:

1621415572[/url]' post='1583023']
https://www.theguard...sts-and-strikes

How desperate do you have to be to be using sticks and stones vs guns? Anyone trying to paint this as some sort of fair fight is morally bankrupt

Has anyone said it’s a fair fight?

[Goku]

DEATH, on 19 May 2021 - 09:48 AM, said:

Has anyone said it’s a fair fight?

Just the usual suspect

Search and Destroy, on 17 May 2021 - 11:42 AM, said:

Of course not, but I don’t follow the it’s not a fair fight talk

but there's a narrative i've seen in the media which suggests this which is insane

This post has been edited by Goku: 19 May 2021 - 10:21 AM

[Search & Destroy]

“ i don’t follow the it’s not a fair fight talk”

I didn’t say that both sides had equal capabilities, my point was that it shouldn’t mean Israel shouldn’t retaliate because they have vastly superior military capabilities

Remember the half dozen Grimsby fans who came into the Kop and called it on? Don’t remember anyone saying it wasn’t a fair fight as about 300 Town fans piled into them

If you poke a hornets nest then the hornets will sting you

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 19 May 2021 - 11:17 AM

[Goku]

Search and Destroy, on 19 May 2021 - 11:16 AM, said:

“ i don’t follow the it’s not a fair fight talk”

I didn’t say that both sides had equal capabilities, my point was that it shouldn’t mean Israel shouldn’t retaliate because they have vastly superior military capabilities

Remember the half dozen Grimsby fans who came into the Kop and called it on? Don’t remember anyone saying it wasn’t a fair fight as about 300 Town fans piled into them

If you poke a hornets nest then the hornets will sting you

Had Chesterfield fans been forcibly removing Grimsby fans from their homes and land prior? Had Chesterfield fans been removing the rights of Grimsby fans?

[Johnnyspireite7]

Goku, on 19 May 2021 - 11:30 AM, said:

Had Chesterfield fans been forcibly removing Grimsby fans from their homes and land prior? Had Chesterfield fans been removing the rights of Grimsby fans?

No but we should have! 😂

[Wooden Spoon]

One thing I will say, is that you need to read your history.



The haavana agreement with Nazi germany, to allow German Jews to “leave” for Palestine, the Arab revolt against open ended Jewish migration. Opposition to the “Peel plan”. Arab opposition to the UN partition plan, Arab nations refusing to recognise Israel in 1948.The “civil war” in 1948 between Jews and Arabs and violent displacement of Arabs from the Jewish sector (the current “Gaza refugees”) even before the Declaration of Independence- the the Jewish war of independence when attacked by Arabs trying to crush the new state. The 1949 armasrice between Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria and the “green line”


The six day war between Israel, Jordan Syria and Egypt in 1967. 1972 Munich Olympic S murders, Yom Kippor in 1973. Dawson’s field hijackings, 1976 Air France hijacking. West banks settlement building in 1977 began. 1978 hijacking and killing of a bus full of families on a day trip.




That’s in no way justifies Israel’s actions since the mid 70s building settlements, evicting palestians so Jews can build homes, the continued occupation etc......but there has never been, nor I doubt will there ever be a desire for a peaceful settlement., at least not from the Palestinians side. And only from the Israelimside if the lost support from the west.




So the wheel will keep turn8ng, the hatred and division will deepen.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 19 May 2021 - 11:16 AM, said:

“ i don’t follow the it’s not a fair fight talk”

I didn’t say that both sides had equal capabilities, my point was that it shouldn’t mean Israel shouldn’t retaliate because they have vastly superior military capabilities

Remember the half dozen Grimsby fans who came into the Kop and called it on? Don’t remember anyone saying it wasn’t a fair fight as about 300 Town fans piled into them

If you poke a hornets nest then the hornets will sting you

A better comparison would be thousand of Deedahs turning up on Town's kop, bricking up the entrance and saying they'd somehow annexed it, then responding with hammers and baseball bats and axes when locals tried to retake it with fists...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 19 May 2021 - 06:43 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Apologies for asking this but I genuinely haven’t followed the whole Gaza Strip, Palestine, Israel arguments both on here on indeed the history of it. But is this once again turning into a Israel=Tories=Islamaphobia, Palestine=Labour=antisemitism ie..Tories bad, Labour good type thread? With the usual suspects just reverting to type.
And no offence to those “usual suspects” because I know I myself am one on many threads.

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury said:

1621449023[/url]' post='1583101']
Apologies for asking this but I genuinely haven't followed the whole Gaza Strip, Palestine, Israel arguments both on here on indeed the history of it. But is this once again turning into a Israel=Tories=Islamaphobia, Palestine=Labour=antisemitism ie..Tories bad, Labour good type thread? With the usual suspects just reverting to type.
And no offence to those "usual suspects" because I know I myself am one on many threads.

Because mentalists like fishini think think Hiroshima and Dresden are the comparable to the intifada




There is no looking at wider events, there is no historical context



The same mad man who thinks anything made in Germany is contaminated with Belsen victims suffering so refuses to accept anything into his house house that might be from Bavaria etc.



Odd then, that he thinks that the conduct of Japan’s forces and their crimes are not worthy of a global ban.





Don’t take such odd balls seriously.

This post has been edited by DEATH: 19 May 2021 - 10:13 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 19 May 2021 - 06:20 PM, said:

A better comparison would be thousand of Deedahs turning up on Town's kop, bricking up the entrance and saying they'd somehow annexed it, then responding with hammers and baseball bats and axes when locals tried to retake it with fists...

A better comparison might be, as you said earlier, NI.



“Imported” Protestant population who claims that land for them selves

[Goku]

Ceasefire agreed thankfully