Zorro, on 24 August 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:
As you knew, I had visited CT and discussed many points and raised a few questions regarding concerns that the fans had back in July. I refrained from posting answers I received in the forum as a lot of fans would have responded and it would have dragged on and on leading to further questions.
The Prem U21 is now under discussion (again) in another thread, so this has led me to post extracts from a long winded message I sent to a collective few who have the same interests and concerns to heart as I do.
I have edited the content by removing paragraphs which I feel are of a delicate nature where I do not want to receive repercussions.
CT was very frank and replied to every question I asked of him, he gave me additional information which he didn't need to supply so I feel it is only fair to post selective points. CT told me he was opposed to the U21 issue & had also voted against on the second occasion. This is a typical topic where a statement from the club could have extinguished any doubt which way the club had voted. I did mention this before in the forum but was shot down.
After my meeting with CT, I raised concerns with AC and also AC has been open with his replies.
I have mentioned numerous times to AC that a simple statement from the club giving documented answers to the questions regarding certain issues would go along way in restoring the relationship between the club and fans. I think we can all see that mistakes have been made but a lot of the issues would go away if the club admitted they had made mistakes and held their hands up.
It would not be hard to put an end to all the discontentment that surrounds the majority of fans.
my notes are as follows; -
Zorro Sent 04 July 2016 - 01:49 PM
**** & All,
AC had been investigating allegations I had mentioned to him.
AC has a vested interest in the PPP now as he has thrown approximately £30,000 in to it along with another £30,000 that CT threw in to cover the repayments to the parents and anyone else who was owed money.
4 others came forward after the payments had been made who had not received any repayments. This was blamed on the 4 people not appearing on the 'register'. I believe they have since been paid.
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Now.... AC maybe covering up or he could be telling the truth but on this occasion I have no doubts into believing what he is saying to me is true.
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I still would like to receive apologies from CFC regarding Bingham & the Ernie Moss Charity and apologies from LS and the PPP in the way the families and former staff have been dealt with.
If all the allegations that we have are unjustified, then I think in the same manner we should apologise to CFC, CT & LS.
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Regarding the PPP, it may turn out to be a good thing or it may come back and bite CFC (in association) on the bum. Unfortunately it is LS who is heading the company and like any directors of any company, within reason they can do what they like with the funds. ............... Being insolvent and trading insolvent is illegal for any director unless they believe they can trade out of it.
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The CBC loan is going to be paid off shortly by AS Leisure.
The International trip to Hungary raised questions in the forum. This was not a CFC trip for the fans and the game will be played behind closed doors.
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The Prem U21, CT voted against, but again bad communication saw pages of the subject being debated.
The DT, at the moment it is DA that is saying they are not welcome as the club only sees the bad publicity that the DT continue to write. They did not send a reporter to the ground when DW was appointed, only a photographer, whereas other media outlets turned up with both a cameraman and a journalist to report on the news with interviews with DW.
********* is being sued (taken all the way by DA) and I have heard that **** **** is also going to be sued by LS. DA has mentioned that others may be sued although AC & others have asked him not to go down this route and alienate the club & fans like he did at Wednesday.
As of this morning, I've been told that there are no monies outstanding to any persons from the PPP (other than CT & AC).
They are adamant that the PPP has no connections with CFC apart from associating the club for the benefit of attracting players to the PPP.
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1. Why would AC invest thirty thousand pounds into an enterprise which had attracted so many negative reports, seen a plethora of employees leave - resulting in the Leeds branch closing, lost nearly eighty thousand pounds, embraced a character like Bingham, and against which a CCJ had been awarded and had experienced at least one visit from a court appointed officer? Shouldn't any 'investigation, like the one you and he clearly believed necessary, been conducted prior to him injecting money? Then doesn't joining the CEO in 'having a vested interest', as you put it, raise more rather than quelling questions over those interests coming into conflict?
2. Why did it take so long, so many innocent people being left out of pocket and so many scandals for Turner and Carson to allegedly address PPP's finances?
3. Doesn't the fact unknown creditors came forward after failing to appear on the 'register' you refer to speak of exactly the sort of amateurism PPP has become renown for? And again, is this really the sort of business into which someone would inject tens of thousands?
4. Why has Turner resigned from an enterprise to which he's just supposedly loaned significant funds?
5. Have you or anyone else received the apologies of which you spoke?
6. AC seems to say it was the Chairman's decision to render the DT 'unwelcome'; but doesn't that contradict Turner's recent claim it was 'never really banned'? Besides, exactly how often does Dave Allen read the DT? And why ban their reporters rather than conduct an enquiry into what was written if he does read it? Why no legal challenge - similar to the ones pursued against folk on social media - if it's reports were wrong?
7. Can you put a date to
'As of this morning, I've been told that there are no monies outstanding to any persons from the PPP (other than CT & AC)?
8. I'd suggest the 'PPP has no connections to CFC' assertion was rendered pretty much invalid when it adopted the CFC title, brand, badge and filmed promotional videos at the Proact. Didn't Turner and Sutcliffe's enterprise also use the CFC address for a period, too? Meanwhile fans are still wondering how much it's paid for use of the pitch and other facilities.
Rob.
I'm more than a little disappointed you chose to post only part of a conversation that could possibly prove extremely revealing if reproduced in it's entirety. If CT and AC are as believable and transparent as you've stated why not repeat the full exchange?
This is in no way intended as a criticism of you - indeed we've discussed these issues in a friendly manner face-to-face - but I just feel the entire fanbase deserve to know the truth.