[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 turrhall, on 03 May 2024 - 10:34 PM, said:

Even as a starmer loyalist you must be able to see that the labour right nuking the party to take control and then proceeding to get less vote share than in 2017, against a Tory party even weaker than it was under teresa may, is a humourous turn of events? Really wouldn't worry about it though, very much doubt this is accurate - Labour will still get a massive majority.

As always, maybe if the current iteration of the LP offered the left something (anything!) that they wanted, they'd be more inclined hold their noses and vote for them. Personally, I'm not voting for a party that has moved so far from my own politics that they don't represent me at all on the basis that they aren't the tories.

Good example of this has been today whenever a council has been lost in an area with a higher than average muslim population every labour member or labour-affiliated journalist has been basically saying 'oh well, lotta muslims in this area, that's why we lost' as if muslims are some sort of 5th columnist hindrance to democracy rather than citizens of this country who want to vote for a party that to represent them politically.

Again, we're really not too far apart.

My thoughts on Gaza and the Netanyahu regime are, as repeatedly stated on the appropriate thread, much closer to our Muslim friends than Starmer's.

In fact it appears the party has taken a cynical decision there're more votes to be won by paralleling the government line than standing by traditional supporters.

Irony is though, we're now seeing the same Islamophobes who accused Labour of pandering to certain constituencies (remember the sneers surrounding Starmer's supposedly absent poppy?) gloating over pro Palestinian independents being elected.

The very characters - specifically GeeBeebies presenters - also inferring those councillors will somehow impede grooming investigations.

I understand and accept your differences with the current Labour Party. Legitimate differences based upon a moral standpoint. But surely the priority here is calling out their hypocritical jibes rather than, in appearance at least, echoing them....?

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[turrhall]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 04 May 2024 - 06:32 AM, said:

Again, we're really not too far apart.

My thoughts on Gaza and the Netanyahu regime are, as repeatedly stated on the appropriate thread, much closer to our Muslim friends than Starmer's.

In fact it appears the party has taken a cynical decision there're more votes to be won by paralleling the government line than standing by traditional supporters.

Irony is though, we're now seeing the same Islamophobes who accused Labour of pandering to certain constituencies (remember the sneers surrounding Starmer's supposedly absent poppy?) gloating over pro Palestinian independents being elected.

The very characters - specifically GeeBeebies presenters - also inferring those councillors will somehow impede grooming investigations.

I understand and accept your differences with the current Labour Party. Legitimate differences based upon a moral standpoint. But surely the priority here is calling out their hypocritical jibes rather than, in appearance at least, echoing them....?

Look, I have seen you talking about Gaza on here and you're always on the right side on that.

Labour clearly has a problem with islamophobia - https://twitter.com/...siEuXdrzIA&s=19

Labour deny the person who said this is involved with Labour, but the journo won't reveal who it was because they're a source. But thought what they said was fine until people pointed out it was actually quite racist.

I hate the Tories, I will always hate them and never vote for them, but I have expectations for the Labour Party. If they don't meet them, I can't vote for them, and that bar isn't even that high.