Clarke Carlisle
#1
Posted 05 February 2015 - 07:24 AM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/s...otball/31142797
#2
Posted 05 February 2015 - 07:27 AM
#4
Posted 05 February 2015 - 07:58 AM
#6
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:04 AM
Yes, how selfish someone must be to suffer from depression so badly that he decides to attempt suicide.
#8
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:06 AM
Goku, on 05 February 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:
Suicide is the very definition of selfish. It's the ultimate in selfish acts. To acknowledge that doesnt diminish the empathy for the pain and suffering of those battling depression.
#9
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:09 AM
Town_Fan, on 05 February 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:
I don't think Xerxes was acknowledging the pain and suffering of people battling depression.
#10 Guest_NOKIN_*
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:34 AM
Xerxes, on 05 February 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:
Selfish act, really? Virtually every single day I deal with people who try to commit suicide sometimes they are actively doing it when I speak to them. One thing they are most certainly are not is selfish.
Depression is an illness not a fashion trend.
Walk a mile in his shoes and see how unselfish he is.
#11
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:39 AM
#12 Guest_NOKIN_*
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:45 AM
Town_Fan, on 05 February 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:
I'm sorry but you are wrong. Way, way wrong.
Someone who is capable of taking their own life isn't selfish unless the aim was to upset someone or a group of people. Most suicides (from my experience) are not carried out to purposely upset people, they are carried out because the person cannot bare to live in the situation they find themselves in, life becomes so unbearable there is absolutely no other way out for them. Their thoughts are not rational, loved ones or the general public don't come into the thought process.
Its extremely complicated and its not cut and dry. Someone has to be in an extremely dark place to take their own life.
It must be an absolutely horrible place to be in but its certainly not selfish.
#13
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:57 AM
#14
Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:58 AM
NOKIN, on 05 February 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:
Exactly, they are thinking about themselves, as I say that's the very definition of selfish.
What I am saying is the selfishness is forgiveable because of the nature of depression and mental illness.
You're not the only person to have experience in this area so you can knock the patronising tone on the head.
This post has been edited by Town_Fan: 05 February 2015 - 08:59 AM
#15 Guest_NOKIN_*
Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:07 AM
Town_Fan, on 05 February 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:
What I am saying is the selfishness is forgiveable because of the nature of depression and mental illness.
You're not the only person to have experience in this area so you can knock the patronising tone on the head.
Here we go, I dare to voice an opinion different from yours and you start the belittling to try to make yourself correct.
I am not in any way, shape or form trying to be patronising, this for me isn't a subject for measuring genitalia.
If you believe I think I am the font of all knowledge in this field then you are again, dare I say it, wrong.
I wholeheartedly believe that tagging someone who has committed suicide or has attempted to as selfish is wrong and incorrect. Thats my opinion based on hundreds of contacts/conversations with people who have every intention of taking their lives.
#16
Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:19 AM
#17
Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:25 AM
Secondly I'm not sure I go down the selfish route however professionally I have attended many suicide attempts / scenes, jumping off buildings, gassing themselves, hangings and stepping in front of trains and at every one I have performed my duties with the utmost respect for people involved, but those memories don't leave you easily, and I have often wondered what kind of hell the train drivers have to go through after the event.
I don't think people attempting suicide do it as a pre meditated selfish act however they must have a concept of their actions, and the people they affect.
This post has been edited by firedodger: 05 February 2015 - 09:26 AM
#18 Guest_NOKIN_*
Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:35 AM
firedodger, on 05 February 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:
Secondly I'm not sure I go down the selfish route however professionally I have attended many suicide attempts / scenes, jumping off buildings, gassing themselves, hangings and stepping in front of trains and at every one I have performed my duties with the utmost respect for people involved, but those memories don't leave you easily, and I have often wondered what kind of hell the train drivers have to go through after the event.
I don't think people attempting suicide do it as a pre meditated selfish act however they must have a concept of their actions, and the people they affect.
Unfortunately they don't mate.
#19
Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:39 AM
firedodger, on 05 February 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:
Possibly but by this point I'm sure all logical thinking has gone out the window. They're not thinking "what about the policeman who has to find my corpse, what about the train driver/lorry driver/whoever who is going to be behind the wheel of the vehicle that kills me". The despair has taken over. At least, that's how I imagine it.
#20
Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:41 AM
Xerxes, on 05 February 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:
Relieved i would expect