[Zigsuk]

Interesting that people say Grimes is a trier but they criticise his ability. Conversely, some say Quigley is a trier so should be beyond criticism. I wonder if it’s the same people criticising Grimes who defend Quigley? As far as I’m concerned Grimes might not be ideal, but who is at this level, and he is far more important to the team than the permanently peripheral Quigley.
Expect the usual flack as his fan club are already out in force.

[Search & Destroy]

Zigsuk, on 25 July 2023 - 07:55 AM, said:

Interesting that people say Grimes is a trier but they criticise his ability. Conversely, some say Quigley is a trier so should be beyond criticism. I wonder if it’s the same people criticising Grimes who defend Quigley? As far as I’m concerned Grimes might not be ideal, but who is at this level, and he is far more important to the team than the permanently peripheral Quigley.
Expect the usual flack as his fan club are already out in force.

Quigley has no fan club, it’s just a case of not wanting to agree with certain fellow board members

[Zeus]

Zigsuk, on 25 July 2023 - 07:55 AM, said:

Interesting that people say Grimes is a trier but they criticise his ability. Conversely, some say Quigley is a trier so should be beyond criticism. I wonder if it's the same people criticising Grimes who defend Quigley? As far as I'm concerned Grimes might not be ideal, but who is at this level, and he is far more important to the team than the permanently peripheral Quigley.
Expect the usual flack as his fan club are already out in force.

I think the point is Quigley should be beyond relentless abuse, not criticism.

[Sammy Spireite]

Another thread criticising Quigley, congrats.

[monte]

I think Quigs is okay, he's a hold it up and lay it off guy rather than an out and out striker. Ironically if he played aside Grigg he'd score a lot more.

The Squads looking good, Grimes / Palmer need some pace beside them (I'd probably have Williams either next to one of them at CB or at right back and push King up).

If you look at this squad compared with MA's "fit at a butchers dog" squad we're a million miles better

[martatcross]

Zigsuk, on 25 July 2023 - 07:55 AM, said:

Interesting that people say Grimes is a trier but they criticise his ability. Conversely, some say Quigley is a trier so should be beyond criticism. I wonder if it’s the same people criticising Grimes who defend Quigley? As far as I’m concerned Grimes might not be ideal, but who is at this level, and he is far more important to the team than the permanently peripheral Quigley.
Expect the usual flack as his fan club are already out in force.

Grimes gives everything on the pitch . He doesn't lose out on many headers the ball over the top when we are so far forward means we need a sweeper keeper clearly a role Cook wants in his team. Williams for me is quicker than both Grimes and Palmer but like you say we are a non league team

[gb007]

Zigsuk said:

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Interesting that people say Grimes is a trier but they criticise his ability. Conversely, some say Quigley is a trier so should be beyond criticism. I wonder if it's the same people criticising Grimes who defend Quigley? As far as I'm concerned Grimes might not be ideal, but who is at this level, and he is far more important to the team than the permanently peripheral Quigley.
Expect the usual flack as his fan club are already out in force.

In my view both are at the same level ie decent squad players but NOT 1st team regulars.
It is certainly wrong that Quigley gets more abuse than Grimes-neither should get any abuse it’s just that they are not good enough for where we want to be
Still a big believer in you don’t concede you don’t lose and we have not addressed that problem -yet !!

[Zigsuk]

In the play off final Grimes won absolutely everything in the air. I thought he was magnificent. It’s on the ground where he’s fallible. But then so are many centre halves at most levels.

[WEareSAILING]

Grimes proved a few people wrong last season, he had a period of 8 to 10 games (which coincided with a loss in form and many dropped points) were he was very poor. The character to come back from that and have a strong end to the season needs credit. Maguire helped that i think personally, our form changed and so did Grimes's when he came in. I dont think Grimes has confidence in the 2 left backs we have which makes him over compensate which means he gets caught. Quigley has had plenty of chances, some of the stuff he does is ok.. His hold up play and work rate you cannot fault but if you play at the top end of the pitch you are expected to score goals, he simply doesn't do that.

[JonB]

Did Grimes coming back from his iffy spell whilst to be fair most of them had an iffy spell get turned around when we started playing Jones on a regular basis? Trying to recollect but bit hazy! There was a spell where the two centre backs often got isolated due to full backs pushing on and not a lot of protection in front of them from the likes of Banks, Oldaker etc.

[prolurker]

Grimes is a good captain and role model but he mainly improved with Maguire and Jones making us more defensively solid.

If you want to play Horton, Naylor, Banks combo Grimes is going to have to step up again if we want to remain tight at the back.

Think alongside Palmer he could make it work but the Grimes/Williams combo always frightens me.

Quigley is a good plan B in the same way we used a raw Armand. Huge confidence player so we have to get behind him - definitely came back fitter again though so positives are there.

[WEareSAILING]

JonB, on 25 July 2023 - 09:29 AM, said:

Did Grimes coming back from his iffy spell whilst to be fair most of them had an iffy spell get turned around when we started playing Jones on a regular basis? Trying to recollect but bit hazy! There was a spell where the two centre backs often got isolated due to full backs pushing on and not a lot of protection in front of them from the likes of Banks, Oldaker etc.

100% agree, also came when we put Maguire in to give us more protection. Did feel sorry for Grimes and Palmer, at some points Banks and Oldaker left them totally isolated. Dont think that happens this season with Naylor sat in front of them. Gives the likes of banks or oldaker freedom to push further forward!

[twistedspire]

They both have their faults and if we are to progress, these are the 2 positions that need improving.
Quigley works the channels, puts the centre half's under pressure when they have the ball, gives us an option when under pressure, holds the ball up well & links the play with the attacking players. However, his composure in front of goal, his finishing and his movement inside the box are poor.
Grimes always gives 100%, he is obviously well liked in the changing rooms, a good role model for the younger players, his stature and strength means he never gets bullied by attackers as has happened to previous defenders in this league, he wins the majority of his headers. However, a lot of goals do come from teams targeting him and playing getting in behind him, there are occasions when he doesn't seem to know where he is and looses flight of the ball in the air, his positional sense/ concentration sometimes disappears and he isn't the fastest.
I think both are steady mid-table national league players, but nothing more.

[Wooden Spoon]

Zigsuk, on 25 July 2023 - 07:55 AM, said:

Interesting that people say Grimes is a trier but they criticise his ability. Conversely, some say Quigley is a trier so should be beyond criticism. I wonder if it’s the same people criticising Grimes who defend Quigley? As far as I’m concerned Grimes might not be ideal, but who is at this level, and he is far more important to the team than the permanently peripheral Quigley.
Expect the usual flack as his fan club are already out in force.

No one has said Quigley is beyond criticism because he’s a trier

[baldyblu]

Quigley is a workhorse,and possesses a good 1st touch.he lays it off to them around him.for Christ's sake,if he had these attributes AND 20 goals a season,he would be league one standard.
Take him for what he brings to the team.the management obviously are OK with it.

[dim view]

WEareSAILING, on 25 July 2023 - 09:49 AM, said:

100% agree, also came when we put Maguire in to give us more protection. Did feel sorry for Grimes and Palmer, at some points Banks and Oldaker left them totally isolated. Dont think that happens this season with Naylor sat in front of them. Gives the likes of banks or oldaker freedom to push further forward!

There's a new Plan B option now, in that a CH can be taken off and Naylor moved further back so that another midfielder can be brought on - which might explain why Cook is trialling midfielders.

[60s 70s Spireite]

baldyblu, on 25 July 2023 - 11:04 AM, said:

Quigley is a workhorse,and possesses a good 1st touch.he lays it off to them around him.for Christ's sake,if he had these attributes AND 20 goals a season,he would be league one standard.
Take him for what he brings to the team.the management obviously are OK with it.

If he lays it off tidily this next season that’s a start. However too many times he thinks he can turn 180 degrees and take out his marker. Except he can’t.

[LondonBlue]

He’s just an average non league striker. He doesn’t deserve abuse but he also isn’t the White Pele. He’s ok.

[Surrey Spireite]

I think what has to be remembered is that this is National League, not Champ/L1...

[Search & Destroy]

LondonBlue, on 26 July 2023 - 10:10 PM, said:

He’s just an average non league striker. He doesn’t deserve abuse but he also isn’t the White Pele. He’s ok.

Come on, he’s nowhere near average