[peakblue]

As a matter of interest Ian baraclough was on talk sport this morning.
Been in Ireland just like cook and won a few things with a club I missed being named to be honest,but he is now looking for a job back in England.
He lives local too,near Nottingham I think.
He talked about other clubs and how he think they will fair this season.
It was difficult to stomach listening to him mention Scunthorpe and their AMBITION to return to the championship,also notts co and other teams
It puts into perspective what is happening at cfc and what the future holds,whilst some of the frustration is being thrown at dean Saunders the initial blame should remain at the feet of our chairman Mr Dave Allen.
I feel that Mr Allen has us fans over a barrel when it comes down to cfc,in a 'if it wasn't for me type way'.
Other clubs are being run in similar situations but are still showing AMBITION somewhere along the line with crowds lower than ours.
So when/if things aren't going well today at the proact and you feel your frustration needs to be heard just remember the creator of this mess is Mr Dave Allen.



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[newboldsteve]

peakblue, on 28 November 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

As a matter of interest Ian baraclough was on talk sport this morning.
Been in Ireland just like cook and won a few things with a club I missed being named to be honest,but he is now looking for a job back in England.
He lives local too,near Nottingham I think.
He talked about other clubs and how he think they will fair this season.
It was difficult to stomach listening to him mention Scunthorpe and their AMBITION to return to the championship,also notts co and other teams
It puts into perspective what is happening at cfc and what the future holds,whilst some of the frustration is being thrown at dean Saunders the initial blame should remain at the feet of our chairman Mr Dave Allen.
I feel that Mr Allen has us fans over a barrel when it comes down to cfc,in a 'if it wasn't for me type way'.
Other clubs are being run in similar situations but are still showing AMBITION somewhere along the line with crowds lower than ours.
So when/if things aren't going well today at the proact and you feel your frustration needs to be heard just remember the creator of this mess is Mr Dave Allen.



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lol we have won more under dave allen than any other chairman and have had a fantastic 5 years. we have two bad months and you want to moan about the chairman ffs

[Lincs Spireite]

This is the case with a lot of clubs who have autocratic chairmen. If they are the majority shareholder what anyone else says doesn't matter. If that chairman happens to be a fan, then great.

Unfortunately DA is not a fan and as a consequence it saddens me to say we have to accept the very likely possibility of a return to Division 2 football, following a very successful and entertaining prior season.

If he was truly intent on achieving championship football then last season was the perfect opportunity, however under this set up the possibility of a financial failure was higher so perhaps he 'chickened out'.

This situation is not likely to change unless as he mentioned at the AGM someone is willing to give him 7 mill or so.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Bowzer spirey, on 28 November 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

This is the case with a lot of clubs who have autocratic chairmen. If they are the majority shareholder what anyone else says doesn't matter. If that chairman happens to be a fan, then great.

Unfortunately DA is not a fan and as a consequence it saddens me to say we have to accept the very likely possibility of a return to Division 2 football, following a very successful and entertaining prior season.

If he was truly intent on achieving championship football then last season was the perfect opportunity, however under this set up the possibility of a financial failure was higher so perhaps he 'chickened out'.

This situation is not likely to change unless as he mentioned at the AGM someone is willing to give him 7 mill or so.

Championship is a pipe dream. We can't afford out outgoing a now yet people bang on about lack of ambition. How do you propose we increase iur wage budget from 2 million to over 2 million probably just to survive? When Bristol got relegated a few years ago their wage bill was 18 million. I think it was reported at the time Pboro had the lowest budget at 9 million and I'm sure budgets haven't gone down.

[peakblue]

newboldsteve, on 28 November 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

lol we have won more under dave allen than any other chairman and have had a fantastic 5 years. we have two bad months and you want to moan about the chairman ffs

So you are happy never to see chesterfield ever play in the championship?

[peakblue]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 28 November 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Championship is a pipe dream. We can't afford out outgoing a now yet people bang on about lack of ambition. How do you propose we increase iur wage budget from 2 million to over 2 million probably just to survive? When Bristol got relegated a few years ago their wage bill was 18 million. I think it was reported at the time Pboro had the lowest budget at 9 million and I'm sure budgets haven't gone down.

2 teams you mention that HAVE got to the championship,not mentioning teams with lower crowds than us that HAVE also done it.that's my point.

[Lincs Spireite]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 28 November 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Championship is a pipe dream. We can't afford out outgoing a now yet people bang on about lack of ambition. How do you propose we increase iur wage budget from 2 million to over 2 million probably just to survive? When Bristol got relegated a few years ago their wage bill was 18 million. I think it was reported at the time Pboro had the lowest budget at 9 million and I'm sure budgets haven't gone down.

Yes when DA mentioned the five year plan to get to the championship, he was only trying to placate and encourage the fan base. I think most fans thought it unlikely.

[Westbars Spireite]

peakblue, on 28 November 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

So you are happy never to see chesterfield ever play in the championship?

Steve is very old and already has done.

[Wooden Spoon]

Bowzer spirey said:

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This is the case with a lot of clubs who have autocratic chairmen. If they are the majority shareholder what anyone else says doesn't matter. If that chairman happens to be a fan, then great.

Unfortunately DA is not a fan and as a consequence it saddens me to say we have to accept the very likely possibility of a return to Division 2 football, following a very successful and entertaining prior season.

If he was truly intent on achieving championship football then last season was the perfect opportunity, however under this set up the possibility of a financial failure was higher so perhaps he 'chickened out'.

This situation is not likely to change unless as he mentioned at the AGM someone is willing to give him 7 mill or so.

Pretty decent assessment that

[newboldsteve]

peakblue, on 28 November 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

So you are happy never to see chesterfield ever play in the championship?

yes and no to be honest it would be amazing to get there but the reality is we couldn't compete we would get beat most weeks we would have fans moaning all the time about wanting da to push the boat out to keep us there. there just isn't the fan base or interest in town to get there and be competitive we could barely manage 7k home fans for the biggest home game in the clubs history in the playoffs that's were the ambition fails not dave allen

[Nitrous Oxide]

newboldsteve, on 28 November 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

yes and no to be honest it would be amazing to get there but the reality is we couldn't compete we would get beat most weeks we would have fans moaning all the time about wanting da to push the boat out to keep us there. there just isn't the fan base or interest in town to get there and be competitive we could barely manage 7k home fans for the biggest home game in the clubs history in the playoffs that's were the ambition fails not dave allen

Always going to be difficult to increase gates above 7000. People who don't go are probably put off by the moaning and groaning of those of us who do. How can they get excited and look forward to going when loads of our fans were still moaning when we win things. There's always someone popping up on local radio being critical even after a thumping 3-0 win. Too fickle and miserable at times.

[newboldsteve]

peakblue, on 28 November 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

As a matter of interest Ian baraclough was on talk sport this morning.
Been in Ireland just like cook and won a few things with a club I missed being named to be honest,but he is now looking for a job back in England.
He lives local too,near Nottingham I think.
He talked about other clubs and how he think they will fair this season.
It was difficult to stomach listening to him mention Scunthorpe and their AMBITION to return to the championship,also notts co and other teams
It puts into perspective what is happening at cfc and what the future holds,whilst some of the frustration is being thrown at dean Saunders the initial blame should remain at the feet of our chairman Mr Dave Allen.
I feel that Mr Allen has us fans over a barrel when it comes down to cfc,in a 'if it wasn't for me type way'.
Other clubs are being run in similar situations but are still showing AMBITION somewhere along the line with crowds lower than ours.
So when/if things aren't going well today at the proact and you feel your frustration needs to be heard just remember the creator of this mess is Mr Dave Allen.



.

I think you need to pick two better teams because both have spent money they don't have and both are languishing mid table

[newboldsteve]

Nitrous Oxide, on 28 November 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Always going to be difficult to increase gates above 7000. People who don't go are probably put off by the moaning and groaning of those of us who do. How can they get excited and look forward to going when loads of our fans were still moaning when we win things. There's always someone popping up on local radio being critical even after a thumping 3-0 win. Too fickle and miserable at times.

for the smaller teams like us its about being in the right place at the right time eg if we had come up this season with pc in charge I think we would have had the best chance ever of getting in the top two with the teams in the league but we did it the season before when there were to many strong teams in the league

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

peakblue, on 28 November 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

2 teams you mention that HAVE got to the championship,not mentioning teams with lower crowds than us that HAVE also done it.that's my point.

Of course they have they bought their way there and nearly went tits up

[Wooden Spoon]

peakblue said:

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So you are happy never to see chesterfield ever play in the championship?

Wrong question really. We all want to see a championship side don't we. It's how you get there. Unless you are very lucky and manage to assemble a side of young,cheap players who are all of the calibre of Darikwa/Clucas/Morsy at the same time and keep them for a couple of years then the alternative is spending millions of pounds without hope of ever getting it back.

The question then should be are we happy that DA isn't going to throw several million pounds at it without hope of ever getting it back?

[azul]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 28 November 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Championship is a pipe dream. We can't afford out outgoing a now yet people bang on about lack of ambition. How do you propose we increase iur wage budget from 2 million to over 2 million probably just to survive? When Bristol got relegated a few years ago their wage bill was 18 million. I think it was reported at the time Pboro had the lowest budget at 9 million and I'm sure budgets haven't gone down.

DA in his interview said if we got to the championship which could done on £2M (unlikely but still possible with a decent manager) that id would net us £5M

He said £2.5M would go into the squad giving us a budget of £4.5M, you ever know with natural creep in might even reach £5M. Just goes to show the task it would be.and what an achievement it would be staying there for than a year or two

Surprised Bournemouth hasn't been mentioned

We need someone prepared to chuck away £20M on us, just for starters, unfortunately DA is that person

This post has been edited by azul: 28 November 2015 - 10:51 AM

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

1448707555[/url]' post='1163939']
DA in his interview said if we got to the championship which could done on £2M (unlikely but still possible with a decent manager) that id would net us £5M

He said £2.5M would go into the squad giving us a budget of £4.5M, you ever know with natural creep in might even reach £5M. Just goes to show the task it would be.and what an achievement it would be staying there for than a year or two

Surprised Bournemouth hasn't been mentioned

Bury in 97? Did they achieve this on talent/good recruiting etc or did someone bankroll them? I really can't remember.

[Goku]

It's never been about getting to the Championship for me - just playing nice football and having a few goals to show for it is enough.

[newboldsteve]

azul, on 28 November 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

DA in his interview said if we got to the championship which could done on £2M (unlikely but still possible with a decent manager) that id would net us £5M

He said £2.5M would go into the squad giving us a budget of £4.5M, you ever know with natural creep in might even reach £5M. Just goes to show the task it would be.and what an achievement it would be staying there for than a year or two

Surprised Bournemouth hasn't been mentioned

We need someone prepared to chuck away £20M on us, just for starters, unfortunately DA is that person

you may have 4 to 5 mill but your only guaranteed it for one season how do you pay the wage bill the next season if you get religated

[h again]

[quote name='peakblue' timestamp='1448698213' post='1163914']
As a matter of interest Ian baraclough was on talk sport this morning.
Been in Ireland just like cook and won a few things with a club I missed being named to be honest,but he is now looking for a job back in England.
He lives local too,near Nottingham I think.
He talked about other clubs and how he think they will fair this season.
It was difficult to stomach listening to him mention Scunthorpe and their AMBITION to return to the championship,also notts co and other teams
It puts into perspective what is happening at cfc and what the future holds,whilst some of the frustration is being thrown at dean Saunders the initial blame should remain at the feet of our chairman Mr Dave Allen.
I feel that Mr Allen has us fans over a barrel when it comes down to cfc,in a 'if it wasn't for me type way'.
Other clubs are being run in similar situations but are still showing AMBITION somewhere along the line with crowds lower than ours.
So when/if things aren't going well today at the proact and you feel your frustration needs to be heard just remember the creator of this mess is Mr Dave Allen.

I wish I thought you were joking, but even when you hold up Scunthorpe and Notts county as examples to follow you seem to be serious.
The Chairman has bought you a stadium we could only dream about not so long ago, and unusual success on the pitch, but you want a lot more of his money because of the mess he's created?
Please enter the real world.