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#561 User is online   isleaiw1 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:00 AM

View PostBobby Darling, on 16 June 2024 - 10:21 PM, said:

Where to start? Tell us please what a school trustee is. How that school is funded and administered. How teachers are given frequent time to rewrite curriculums. How they are encouraged, in lesson time, to ?not promote racism or the white view?. Madness? I, as an owner of a business, have paid for accountancy exams and accepted said trained accountants leaving. You are a bluffer. You are a paid junior employee. Stop hiding behind the ?private sector?.


He's had a glass of wine again. Trustee - governor in the old days, but its an academy trust, so therefore has trustees. So like all state schools its funded by the govt through payments that depend on the number of pupils, and some extra for rebuilding projects if they can get the cash. Of course teachers have to rewrite how things are taught now and not just focus on the white english viewpoint - as many of the kids are not from a white english background...

Its a voluntary thing, you should try it. So yes I'm a paid junior employee (have I been demoted, I was a middle manager last time..), and a trustee and I have my own consulting company but that is currently dormant... however, if you want some advice on how to structure it so that your accountants dont get you to pay for their exams and then leave, let me know....
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#562 User is offline   The Earl of Chesterfield 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:18 AM

So sticking with the theme of some lies being okay - as long as you like the liar in question, it seems - Reform launch their manifesto today.

But they're not calling it a manifesto 'cos that term's synonymous with lies, according to them.

However when the perhaps appropriately named David Bull appeared on Sky, he claimed their sums have been given a thumbs up by the OBS.

Which simply isn't true. As the OBR can only scrutinise government figures. By law. Meaning he, well, lied.

Before ducking and dodging questions over where their fifty billion worth of public service cuts to fund massive tax hand outs will fall.

Then complaining Kay Burleigh had been too 'negative' (which kinda followers a pattern by the way, after Farage pulled out of a BBC interview for fear of being asked about his Nazi quoting candidates).

Yup, a healthy dose of honesty from characters already renown for always telling the, erm, truth...
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Posted Yesterday, 09:48 AM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 17 June 2024 - 08:18 AM, said:

So sticking with the theme of some lies being okay - as long as you like the liar in question, it seems - Reform launch their manifesto today.

But they're not calling it a manifesto 'cos that term's synonymous with lies, according to them.

However when the perhaps appropriately named David Bull appeared on Sky, he claimed their sums have been given a thumbs up by the OBS.

Which simply isn't true. As the OBR can only scrutinise government figures. By law. Meaning he, well, lied.

Before ducking and dodging questions over where their fifty billion worth of public service cuts to fund massive tax hand outs will fall.

Then complaining Kay Burleigh had been too 'negative' (which kinda followers a pattern by the way, after Farage pulled out of a BBC interview for fear of being asked about his Nazi quoting candidates).

Yup, a healthy dose of honesty from characters already renown for always telling the, erm, truth...


Are you suggesting then that a certain manifesto (that doesnt mention the party on the cover..) is totally honest in its manifesto - even on the bits they dont spell out but will undoubtedly happen? Is silence and not saying something as dishonest as saying something when both turn out to be bad news?

I think its fitting in this ABC (Anyone but Conservative) election, the word on the Labour manifesto is change.. not Labour!

(tax rises not specifically called out but that then happen are a lie to me, by the way!)
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Posted Yesterday, 01:37 PM

More 'honesty' from Reform.

And no prizes for guessing who... https://www.thelondo...google_vignette

Meanwhile it's worth remembering even the bloke who shoudest longest and loudest about Brexit has had to admit... https://news.sky.com...agrees-12882281

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Posted Yesterday, 01:47 PM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 17 June 2024 - 01:37 PM, said:

More 'honesty' from Reform.

And no prizes for guessing who... https://www.thelondo...google_vignette

Meanwhile it's worth remembering even the bloke who shoudest longest and loudest about Brexit has had to admit... https://news.sky.com...agrees-12882281

So it?s lies etc from reform but when it suits Farage is telling the truth? I?m confused!
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Posted Yesterday, 02:22 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 17 June 2024 - 01:47 PM, said:

So it?s lies etc from reform but when it suits Farage is telling the truth? I?m confused!


Its only the truth if you want to believe it...

Returning to PFI deals for public sector assets being one of them...

https://www.ft.com/c...bb-dc8618b9bfa4
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Posted Yesterday, 09:22 PM

Hey Chris, no comments on Labours misleading 5 year cost of the increase in mortgages as a result of the Tories... sounds like a load of dodgy assumptions to me (especially the 85% loan to value, higher than the average now..).... and this from the party that reckons it can save ?xbn from tax dodgers...

They are all as bad as each other at making stuff up to get power...
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Posted Yesterday, 09:53 PM

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 15 June 2024 - 12:19 PM, said:

There'll be full scale civil war in the Tory party this summer.

We've already seen a number of the more obnoxious characters positioning themselves - with Andrea Jenkins even issuing election leaflets pictured with Farage.

Just take a minute for that to sink in. Whilst vast swathes of conservative candidates mention neither their party nor leader in literature, she openly allies herself to one of another.

Imagine the Mail-esque media headlines were that a Labour figure alongside, say, an outspoken pro Palestinian.

Oh, wait...

As you quite accurately state though, it's most likely the Right will emerge victorious. A party run by Farage, Rees-Mogg, Braverman and their ugly ilk.

Leaving Labour by far the most moderate, mainstream option in British politics.

Thatcher once said her proudest legacy was Tony Blair. Thanks to the corruption he legitimised and individuals elected in his wake, it's very possible Boris the Liar's will be the death of the Tories...



Yeah I think so too. Starmer needs 5 years of stable government with some small improvement


If this comes to pass Mogg, Braverman Farage and the rest will dig out that here policies to appeal to the Tory right that are well past the sell by date for the wider public. Microwave thatcher from the late 80s


The only Achilles heel in this scenario will be dealing with the people trafficking

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Posted Today, 05:41 AM

View PostWooden Spoon, on 17 June 2024 - 09:53 PM, said:

Yeah I think so too. Starmer needs 5 years of stable government with some small improvement


If this comes to pass Mogg, Braverman Farage and the rest will dig out that here policies to appeal to the Tory right that are well past the sell by date for the wider public. Microwave thatcher from the late 80s


The only Achilles heel in this scenario will be dealing with the people trafficking


and the growth being funded by investment from the national wealth fund - except we have not got wealth
and the NHS costs
and attracting the new teachers, pcsos, and the doctors and nurses to provide the 40000 extra appointments

not sure stable and small improvements will be enough - they have gone big on "change" and small improvements smack of more of the same...
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Posted Today, 06:45 AM

It?s confusing, I was all ready to vote Tory with the revelation of the ?2000 Labour tax bombshell but then I learn my mortgage will go up ?4800 if I vote Tory!

So I?m ?2800 better off under Labour am I?

Tories, any advance on the ?4800?

Please replace ? for pound signs



Although tbh if anyone actually campaigns on ?5000 per household over a fixed term parliament and shows it does actually make things better it?d probably be a vote winner

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Posted Today, 07:52 AM

View PostSearch & Destroy, on 18 June 2024 - 06:45 AM, said:

It?s confusing, I was all ready to vote Tory with the revelation of the ?2000 Labour tax bombshell but then I learn my mortgage will go up ?4800 if I vote Tory!

So I?m ?2800 better off under Labour am I?

Tories, any advance on the ?4800?

Please replace ? for pound signs



Although tbh if anyone actually campaigns on ?5000 per household over a fixed term parliament and shows it does actually make things better it?d probably be a vote winner


Just expect to be somewhere between ?3k and ?5k worse off whoever wins and you probably wont be disappointed... and of course it will be much much worse by the time your kids are a bit older as neither of the big two are solving any long term problems...in fact it could be argued they are making long term problems worse!
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 isleaiw1, on 18 June 2024 - 07:52 AM, said:

Just expect to be somewhere between ?3k and ?5k worse off whoever wins and you probably wont be disappointed... and of course it will be much much worse by the time your kids are a bit older as neither of the big two are solving any long term problems...in fact it could be argued they are making long term problems worse!


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Posted Today, 08:29 AM

 Goku, on 18 June 2024 - 08:20 AM, said:

Can I blame capitalism for this?


Looking at the staunchly non capitalist economies I?d say no 😂

 isleaiw1, on 17 June 2024 - 09:22 PM, said:

Hey Chris, no comments on Labours misleading 5 year cost of the increase in mortgages as a result of the Tories... sounds like a load of dodgy assumptions to me (especially the 85% loan to value, higher than the average now..).... and this from the party that reckons it can save ?xbn from tax dodgers...

They are all as bad as each other at making stuff up to get power...


Hear hear. Snake oil salesman the lot of them.

Ps remember you now have to criticise every other party so now as not being seen to be selective?.
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Posted Today, 08:55 AM

View Posts42blue, on 18 June 2024 - 08:29 AM, said:

Looking at the staunchly non capitalist economies I?d say no 😂



Hear hear. Snake oil salesman the lot of them.

Ps remember you now have to criticise every other party so now as not being seen to be selective?.


To be fair, I am currently a voter whose vote can be won as none of the manifestos do much for me. I've always tried to vote what is best for all and not best for me but I am thinking this year I will be starting by ruling out those I wont vote for - Tory, Reform already crossed off although bizarrely they both have some bits of policy I think are good moves. After that its trying to find the least bad...or the one I think will do least long term damage over the next 5 years....
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Posted Today, 11:22 AM

This is the best article I've seen on the NHS yet.... and I dont like Reform and what it stands for. Pity some of the other parties arent getting radical on things!

When attempting to gather political support for my campaign to reopen our empty cancer centres, I emailed a great number of MPs from the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems and others. I was hopeful they would share the same sense of urgency as me. Getting these facilities reopened would have saved countless lives during the worst cancer backlog I have ever witnessed. I was wrong. The vast majority ignored me, a handful made a token effort but nothing more. One MP genuinely did his best, Sir Graham Brady, and I?m very grateful.

I sincerely asked for help and most couldn?t even be bothered to reply. The election comes round, and all of a sudden I have politicians knocking at my door. Where was that interest when it was needed?

I went into this election with a low opinion of Westminster politics. I was asked to examine the various plans from the main political parties on healthcare and the NHS. Did I expect much? No, not really. More of the same, zero admission of a crisis, general platitudes accounting for nothing and the usual worshipping of the holy shrine of our NHS. There were simply no innovative ideas.

Labour will always be held back by its fanatical devotion to Bevan?s original concept. At least Wes Streeting wants change and seems very capable. But he will be held back by the party?s leftist origin. Its manifesto is packed with the usual humdrum, with no genuine commitment to the radical change that?s required. After 76 years every system surely needs a major overhaul.

The Conservatives? Speaking honestly, I almost didn?t bother reading it. They?ve had fourteen years to sort out this mess, and have objectively failed on all counts. I don?t trust a word they say. There are a few murmurings in their plans which I can agree with. But why should we believe them now? If they thought their changes were so necessary, why haven?t they already been implemented?

I judge people on what they have delivered, not what they say they will deliver. Under their watch the bureaucracy of overpaid apparatchiks sitting in fancy offices well away from the frontline appears to have grown beyond all recognition.

From the Liberal Democrats, there are a few interesting ideas, particularly on a commitment to named doctors for the elderly and sick. But where would these doctors come from? That patient group requires a lot of time. Just try to get a GP appointment for yourself ? it?s not so easy, and they are surely too scared of rocking the professional boat to make the big changes needed. On the whole their plan lacks ambition.

And then I read Reform?s plan. I could have written it myself. Sharp, concise, controversial and radical. We do need something different to get us out of the mess we?re in, and it?s certainly that.

Lifting frontline staff out of paying basic rate tax for three years ? common sense. It will help to stop the brutal brain drain we?re experiencing and actually encourage more British youngsters into healthcare. Clever, too, as more senior staff will still pay tax as they are in a different bracket. Ending training caps for medical students and writing off student debt following ten years service. Good idea. Capable staff with ambition, skill and determination can ascend from the bottom to the top. Hospital porter to brain surgeon may at last really be possible. This is a long term plan which won?t see fruition for 5 years ? but that?s just the attitude we need.

Tax relief of 20 per cent on all private healthcare and insurance. Fantastic. It will make healthcare a consumer good leading to far more innovation in its delivery. The usual suspects will moan about privatisation, but quite frankly if hardworking families want to spend more on private healthcare then it should be welcomed and encouraged. It will benefit everyone, freeing up space in the NHS for those who need it. Alongside it is the commitment to properly embrace private healthcare, which would surely help clear the backlog.

Patients within the NHS who can?t see a GP within three days will receive a voucher for private treatment ? again, a good idea. Patients should be treated like valued customers, rather than a nuisance to be dealt with.

Finally, and perhaps the most important, cutting waste and unnecessary management. From someone with half a century experience of dealing with the NHS, let me tell you ? it is rife with incompetent bureaucrats who contribute nothing to the smooth running of the system. They deliver nothing for patient care, and disrupt the activities of frontline staff doing the actual work.

Armies of PR spin agents, diversity officers and intrusive management many now working from home. Layers and layers of bureaucracy starting with the top in NHS England and the Integrated Care Boards need to be slashed away. That money needs to be redirected to the frontline.

Make no mistake, the NHS is in crisis. We need radical ideas for radical solutions. Reform offers something different. I applaud their efforts.

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