[Arnold Tabbs]

Mr Mercury, on 01 May 2024 - 02:36 PM, said:

Regarding your last paragraph, I skipped though the other parts, the vast majority of posts by people in this section, whether Left political view or a Right political view are opinions on subjects that has very little effect on folks day to day lives but we can still voice an opinion on it, or would you like that banning as well. And as for trolling and not “minding your own buisness” I could argue that’s what you’ve just done!

No. You didn't read the rest of my post because you're scared that your own confirmation bias will be shown up for what it is.

I was born and grew up in Chesterfield, and my mum still lives there, so your feeble attempt to paint me as a hypocrite falls at the first fence. Since you ask, I don't think you or anybody else should be banned from expressing opinions on matters you know little or nothing about; what I do think should be banned is spreading deliberate lies and propaganda and whipping up hatred against people over things that are in no way their fault - like their colour or sexuality. Is that a problem for you? If so, why?

[Mr Mercury]

Arnold Tabbs, on 01 May 2024 - 03:42 PM, said:

No. You didn't read the rest of my post because you're scared that your own confirmation bias will be shown up for what it is.

I was born and grew up in Chesterfield, and my mum still lives there, so your feeble attempt to paint me as a hypocrite falls at the first fence. Since you ask, I don't think you or anybody else should be banned from expressing opinions on matters you know little or nothing about; what I do think should be banned is spreading deliberate lies and propaganda and whipping up hatred against people over things that are in no way their fault - like their colour or sexuality. Is that a problem for you? If so, why?

I’ve no idea what being born and growing up in Chesterfied or you mum still living the has to do with an attempt to paint you as a hypercrite. It was to do with you going an opinion on the hate speech bill up there, unless you now live in Scotland of course? And if you do then obviously it impacts you but that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on it!
I’ve no fear whatsoever what people want to view my opinions as or have of me, or what you feel my views show up for what you think it is. I just find it hypercritical to accuse me of trolling and suggesting I mind my own business re Scotland when you don’t do the same. For what it’s worth I obviously did read the whole post but found it to be the usual left wing rhetoric when presented with an alternative view. And regarding learning to live in peace, left wing rhetoric simply won’t allow it or want it. They crave friction by the way they throw about the usual tired and overused accusations with anyone who disagree, you did the same in your very first sentence.
There’s some high horse riders about on here for sure!

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

For the record, it wasn't Yousaf and the SNP's so called 'hate crime law' that brought him down, it was his crass and clumsy - some might even use the term arrogant - axing of the power sharing deal with the Greens.

In the same way it was the oncoming financial scandal rather than any anti trans' backlash which saw Sturgeon resign.

But, as always, little things like facts are irrelevant to the usual suspects bizarrely obsessed with these issues...

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 May 2024 - 04:24 PM, said:

For the record, it wasn't Yousaf and the SNP's so called 'hate crime law' that brought him down, it was his crass and clumsy - some might even use the term arrogant - axing of the power sharing deal with the Greens.

In the same way it was the oncoming financial scandal rather than any anti trans' backlash which saw Sturgeon resign.

But, as always, little things like facts are irrelevant to the usual suspects bizarrely obsessed with these issues...

In part I’d disagree, the Alba MSP, who’s support he so desperately needed to stave off defeat in the no confidence vote wanted certain decisions re gender recognition that he wouldn’t alter his “principles” for. So he knew the games was up. Nobody else would back him because they saw their own parties chance to benefit from the SNP collapse at the next election.
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Either way I find it so ironic that a party many Labour supporters championed for opposing Brexit and attacking Boris at every ridiculous opportunity during covid, that their now impending implosion due to the chronic way they’ve run Scotland, is helping hand KS the keys to number 10. And re Krankies..old habits die hard I’m afraid..hubby being charged with embezzlement do we really think she was in the dark over all of it? “Love the spanking new camper van darling, but how could we afford it?” ..
Anyhow, what’s it got to do with you as well? Shouldn’t we be minding our own business?

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[Arnold Tabbs]

Mr Mercury, on 01 May 2024 - 04:21 PM, said:

I’ve no idea what being born and growing up in Chesterfied or you mum still living the has to do with an attempt to paint you as a hypercrite. It was to do with you going an opinion on the hate speech bill up there, unless you now live in Scotland of course? And if you do then obviously it impacts you but that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on it!
I’ve no fear whatsoever what people want to view my opinions as or have of me, or what you feel my views show up for what you think it is. I just find it hypercritical to accuse me of trolling and suggesting I mind my own business re Scotland when you don’t do the same. For what it’s worth I obviously did read the whole post but found it to be the usual left wing rhetoric when presented with an alternative view. And regarding learning to live in peace, left wing rhetoric simply won’t allow it or want it. They crave friction by the way they throw about the usual tired and overused accusations with anyone who disagree, you did the same in your very first sentence.
There’s some high horse riders about on here for sure!

Hang on a second. You accuse me of spouting the usual left wing rhetoric and then tell me that living in peace (which is what I called for in the trans "debate") is impossible because the left won't allow it. So am I a leftie or am I not? And I ask again, what's your objection - if you have one - to banning hate speech aimed at stirring up hatred of groups and individuals over things that aren't their fault, like their colour or sexuality? I'm not holding my breath that you'll respond to the challenge, mind.

Had you honestly read my previous post, you'd be aware that I voted in the last Scottish General Election, which I was able to do because I lived there. The Scottish government, therefore, was representing me, especially since I voted both SNP and Green.

As the Earl of Chesterfield says, Humza brought about his own downfall by unilaterally sacking Partick Harvie and Lorna Slater from the government. Having said that, the same media outlets that were shouting for him to sack the Greens immediately went for the jugular when he did precisely what they had been urging him to do. Alex Salmond's mob - in the main- couldn't give two hoots about the gender bill; they simply oppose, as a reflex action, anything proposed by the SNP. Salmond is, by his own admission "no angel." His own barrister called him a sexist and another word - too rude to be allowed on Bob's Board - that has 8 letters and begins with A. While he was acquitted on all but one of the charges of sexual assault brought against him, the other resulted in a "not proven" verdict, which is understood by Scots to mean "we think you did it but it's not been proved, so go away and don't do it again." In short, the suggestion that he is a supporter of women's rights is baloney. Like his bitter opponent but very similarly bumptious character George Galloway, he spent his time in the wilderness hosting a show on the propaganda channel Russia Today, and we all know what a haven for human rights Putin's Russia is, don't we?

Deflecting all opposition to your own - forthrightly expressed - opinions by calling it left wing bias is a cop-out, by the way. Personally, I'm more interested in ethics than politics, and I find your attitude ethically reprehensible, not because I'm a Stalinist or a fan of Pol Pot but because your natural instinct seems to be to attack anybody who shows compassion for minorities. It would be nice if you expressed a kind word for somebody every now and then; I really wish you would.

[Mr Mercury]

Arnold Tabbs, on 01 May 2024 - 05:28 PM, said:

Hang on a second. You accuse me of spouting the usual left wing rhetoric and then tell me that living in peace (which is what I called for in the trans "debate") is impossible because the left won't allow it. So am I a leftie or am I not? And I ask again, what's your objection - if you have one - to banning hate speech aimed at stirring up hatred of groups and individuals over things that aren't their fault, like their colour or sexuality? I'm not holding my breath that you'll respond to the challenge, mind.

Had you honestly read my previous post, you'd be aware that I voted in the last Scottish General Election, which I was able to do because I lived there. The Scottish government, therefore, was representing me, especially since I voted both SNP and Green.

As the Earl of Chesterfield says, Humza brought about his own downfall by unilaterally sacking Partick Harvie and Lorna Slater from the government. Having said that, the same media outlets that were shouting for him to sack the Greens immediately went for the jugular when he did precisely what they had been urging him to do. Alex Salmond's mob - in the main- couldn't give two hoots about the gender bill; they simply oppose, as a reflex action, anything proposed by the SNP. Salmond is, by his own admission "no angel." His own barrister called him a sexist and another word - too rude to be allowed on Bob's Board - that has 8 letters and begins with A. While he was acquitted on all but one of the charges of sexual assault brought against him, the other resulted in a "not proven" verdict, which is understood by Scots to mean "we think you did it but it's not been proved, so go away and don't do it again." In short, the suggestion that he is a supporter of women's rights is baloney. Like his bitter opponent but very similarly bumptious character George Galloway, he spent his time in the wilderness hosting a show on the propaganda channel Russia Today, and we all know what a haven for human rights Putin's Russia is, don't we?

Deflecting all opposition to your own - forthrightly expressed - opinions by calling it left wing bias is a cop-out, by the way. Personally, I'm more interested in ethics than politics, and I find your attitude ethically reprehensible, not because I'm a Stalinist or a fan of Pol Pot but because your natural instinct seems to be to attack anybody who shows compassion for minorities. It would be nice if you expressed a kind word for somebody every now and then; I really wish you would.

I doubt your an extreme leftie, the ones who spout abuse and bile and the usual accusations at anyone who doesn’t confirm the their bigoted agenda, but then I don’t know.
Like I said I in my previous post if you live in Scotland now then it obviously effects you, but if you don’t then your just sticking your nose in like everyone else.
So what’s hate speech and what’s free speech, who decides? Id say each individual has different opinions and once again I dare say that those on the left will happily throw about the usual accusations at those who disagree. And of course there’s no reason that there shouldn’t be proper laws for hate speech, the problem is how it can be reported , who reports it, the fact the police have to investigate every accusation, it can be reported for something you say in your own home. I thought the basis of that was the problem which I thought I said in my initial post on the subject.
I don’t see me as deflecting from my views I post what I think, btw I’m not sure what I’ve posted, although some my find my options disagreeable, thats reprehensible, but you’re welcome to your opinion.
Anyway I show compassion for those that I think deserve it in my opinion, and that includes all walks of life, all cultures and minorities. Or do you now decide who we must show compassion for? Don’t base your knowledge of me on a few posts on a Football League..that felt good…message board., ok a lot of posts! Don’t concern yourself too much with it, I post on here on various subjects but I’m really not fussed what people think, just like I’m sure you’re really not fussed with me or my view of others.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: Yesterday, 06:18 PM