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 Wooden Spoon, on 15 June 2024 - 10:28 AM, said:

There'll be full scale civil war in the Tory party this summer.

We've already seen a number of the more obnoxious characters positioning themselves - with Andrea Jenkins even issuing election leaflets pictured with Farage.

Just take a minute for that to sink in. Whilst vast swathes of conservative candidates mention neither their party nor leader in literature, she openly allies herself to one of another.

Imagine the Mail-esque media headlines were that a Labour figure alongside, say, an outspoken pro Palestinian.

Oh, wait...

As you quite accurately state though, it's most likely the Right will emerge victorious. A party run by Farage, Rees-Mogg, Braverman and their ugly ilk.

Leaving Labour by far the most moderate, mainstream option in British politics.

Thatcher once said her proudest legacy was Tony Blair. Thanks to the corruption he legitimised and individuals elected in his wake, it's very possible Boris the Liar's will be the death of the Tories...

 dim view, on 15 June 2024 - 09:30 AM, said:

The last thing Farage wants is actual power.

To be held accountable for his promises.

And anyone doubting that only has to remember how he 'fled the scene of the crime' the morning after the Brexit vote...

 Valley Blues, on 14 June 2024 - 10:17 PM, said:

Fair enough call.

And I'd add dismissing Farage and his followers as "clowns" is dismissing the genuine threat they pose.

Like his earlier vanity vehicles 'Reform' is a single issue party - immigration.

Now okay, many people are motivated by that; but I wonder how many really appreciate what their health policies would mean? A return to treatment depending on what folk can afford? I wonder how many appreciate what their tax policies would mean? Making the 'Kwar crash' budget look Stalinist by comparison? I wonder how many appreciate what their environmental policies would mean? A virtual free for all for the fossil fuel industry?

Same applies to education, public services and pretty much every other aspect of their manifesto.

Farage is an experienced campaigner. We've been witnessing his 'avoid-questions-by-discrediting-the-questioner' routine for years. His endless 'infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy' conspiracy theorising. His attempts to normalise bigotry by claiming it's merely 'what the man in the pub is saying'.

However an individual with well documented links to dangerously right wing organisations and bleats about left wing violence whilst waving away the attempted Jan sixth terrorist coup as irrelevant is, in reality, a far more sinister version of Boris the Liar.

I'm struggling to see any "good" in his party. Whilst "clownish" doesn't come close to describing those who'd vote for it "regardless" of candidates from whom even Farage distances himself and the impact it'd have on their every day lives...

Our northern neighbours are always the same.

Somehow qualify for a tournament, spend months getting Stags-visiting-Town excited about it, embarrass themselves in their first two games then have an heroic last match when it's more or less irrelevant.

Bottom line is they're a workmanlike outfit with a couple of Premiership standard players who rely on Duncan-esque, eight man defence and hopefully pinch summat tactics.

The early concessions last night left them with nowhere to go...

 isleaiw1, on 14 June 2024 - 03:05 PM, said:

No.

His 'party' has one MP. Who hasn't even faced his constituents since defecting. Same as the Greens who, bizarrely, receive only a fraction of the media attention he does.

And far fewer than either the Scot' Nat's and LD's.

Sunak heads the Government, SKS the Opposition. Democracy dictates they have the right to face off...