[CFC91]

Genuine question..

We've talked about it over the years but NEVER really thought it would be needed BUT...

Is there an appetite? Is there any plans?

I don't want to lose a football club representing this town. Some won't back it, some will. That's fair enough. I don't know how i'd feel about it but surely it is better than no club?

I could never support a team representing another town, as much as going to watch Staveley, Matlock etc is nice on the occasion.

I'd throw my name into the hat as someone willing to help out and try and get this off the ground.

If it isn't a go-er or if people aren't bothered then fair enough, but think it is a real possibility with what we now know, and to apply to play in a league next season it's probably something that needs considering potentially.

[peakblue]

I think if this supposed takeover fails then this will be the next option.
Like you,i'm not willing to watch my beloved club fold without a fight.

[jack bauer]

 peakblue, on 11 December 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:

I think if this supposed takeover fails then this will be the next option.
Like you,i'm not willing to watch my beloved club fold without a fight.

exactly, if the stumbling blocks prove too much for the consortium to get over the line with DA then it becomes a very real next option

[Phil V 72]

I think Phoenix Clubs, by their very definition, only rise when the 'old bird' has deceased. Whilst the current iteration of CFC exists, fans will (rightly) support it and try to sustain it. It's only when there's a void that you'll find out how serious people are.

[hilly81]

I always wonder how viable a Phoenix club would be personally. Would every Town fan buy in? For me, it would't be CFC. The club I have supported since 1991. Therefore, I'm not sure the feeling would ever be there. I'm not sure I could ever support a new football club in the same way I have done Town in the past.

[azul]

 hilly81, on 11 December 2019 - 11:13 AM, said:

I always wonder how viable a Phoenix club would be personally. Would every Town fan buy in? For me, it would't be CFC. The club I have supported since 1991. Therefore, I'm not sure the feeling would ever be there. I'm not sure I could ever support a new football club in the same way I have done Town in the past.

It’s worked previously when an old club passes away - why wouldn’t it work in Chesterfield?

[hilly81]

 azul, on 11 December 2019 - 11:19 AM, said:

It’s worked previously when an old club passes away - why wouldn’t it work in Chesterfield?

I'm not saying it wouldn't, mate. I just don't know how it would feel.

I live just outside of Chester so know a number of Chester fans. 2 or 3 dont go and watch Chester FC as it isn't Chester City anymore.

[moondog]

 Phil V 72, on 11 December 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

<br />I think Phoenix Clubs, by their very definition, only rise when the 'old bird' has deceased. Whilst the current iteration of CFC exists, fans will (rightly) support it and try to sustain it. It's only when there's a void that you'll find out how serious people are.<br />

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I agree, we aren't at this stage yet

[bifocart]

 hilly81, on 11 December 2019 - 11:13 AM, said:

I always wonder how viable a Phoenix club would be personally. Would every Town fan buy in? For me, it would't be CFC. The club I have supported since 1991. Therefore, I'm not sure the feeling would ever be there. I'm not sure I could ever support a new football club in the same way I have done Town in the past.

Eyup Hilly, I see your point, the club hasnt felt the same to me since we left Saltergate..something - a sense of continuity, probably- got lost in the move. The type of businesspeople who take over football clubs are rarely interested in such abstract things, being more interested in building something in their own image and in line with their own business practices, which is why we are where we are now.

Phoenix clubs tend to come from within the community and the fan base, they rarely begin at the point at the old club left and there is a long period of simply learning to function. I reckon it must be like recovering from an accident. But to the people involved the rewards are more than can be had from just supporting or following; they are building something, they are helping to repair the damage done to their town and the rupture in its football history.
The feeling wouldnt be the same for everyone, not until the job was done and the club established and it was playing in stadia again rather than the lower tier grounds that ,say, AFC Wimbledon began at. But for those involved at the beginning, any success would provide a satisfaction born of direct involvement in keeping football going in their home town.

[azul]

 hilly81, on 11 December 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:

I'm not saying it wouldn't, mate. I just don't know how it would feel.

I live just outside of Chester so know a number of Chester fans. 2 or 3 dont go and watch Chester FC as it isn't Chester City anymore.

Sorry missed the “personally”

Some may feel that way but I’m sure the majority of hardcore supporters would get behind it. If the club retained its identity and I guess that would depend to some extent on where we start off again in terms of stadium and league.

[hilly81]

 bifocart, on 11 December 2019 - 11:40 AM, said:

Eyup Hilly, I see your point, the club hasnt felt the same to me since we left Saltergate..something - a sense of continuity, probably- got lost in the move. The type of businesspeople who take over football clubs are rarely interested in such abstract things, being more interested in building something in their own image and in line with their own business practices, which is why we are where we are now.

Phoenix clubs tend to come from within the community and the fan base, they rarely begin at the point at the old club left and there is a long period of simply learning to function. I reckon it must be like recovering from an accident. But to the people involved the rewards are more than can be had from just supporting or following; they are building something, they are helping to repair the damage done to their town and the rupture in its football history.
The feeling wouldnt be the same for everyone, not until the job was done and the club established and it was playing in stadia again rather than the lower tier grounds that ,say, AFC Wimbledon began at. But for those involved at the beginning, any success would provide a satisfaction born of direct involvement in keeping football going in their home town.

Good post. I agree, the club hasn't felt like CFC for the past 5 years anyway. I would certainly give a Phoenix club a go should it come to that.

[CFC91]

 moondog, on 11 December 2019 - 11:35 AM, said:

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I agree, we aren't at this stage yet

We aren't, and hopefully never will be but i'm struggling to see how we get out of this.

[peakblue]

If we're not at this stage yet,where the hell are we then?
Its all very confusing,surely we are heading that way or have been heading that way to total closure of the club,especially now relegation looks an almost certainty

[Westbars Spireite]

If this club dies I will support any new club that we can form.

[Zorro]

 CFC91, on 11 December 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

We aren't, and hopefully never will be but i'm struggling to see how we get out of this.

Chesterfield Football Club will never die whilst-ever we have fans who care! - And I care!!

Z

[Westbars Spireite]

This club might. The new one needs to be ready to go.

[metallilad]

Not the time yet.

[Oh Wade Falana]

 Phil V 72, on 11 December 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

I think Phoenix Clubs, by their very definition, only rise when the 'old bird' has deceased. Whilst the current iteration of CFC exists, fans will (rightly) support it and try to sustain it. It's only when there's a void that you'll find out how serious people are.

There are examples of fans breaking away from dodgy owners to launch a new club - The case with Northwich Victoria being an example (in which our old friend Graham Bean didn't cover himself in glory as he tried to buy all the internet domains relating to the new, fan-controlled, club!).

[dtp]

 Zorro, on 11 December 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

Chesterfield Football Club will never die whilst-ever we have fans who care! - And I care!!

Z

Agreed and thanks, Zorro.

Just need a few more with some collateral to care too - good luck.