Goku said:
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I don't think this thread reinforces that Merc. I'm not saying people who vote Tory are scum or anything like that. People had valid reasons to vote them last election and I don't have a problem with that, if you wanted to leave the EU they were realistically the only party to vote for, but I do absolutely believe the party is ran by dishonest amoral conmen.
HB.
Look at your post. It’s informative. Your a bright lad, just step back a little now and than. Labour could do well to use intelligent folk like you, who have the capability to be objective.
“If you believe in brexit, there was only one party to vote for”. Very true. Huge areas of traditional Labour territory voted leave. The party pledged to honour that referendum. In Westminster political set tried everything to block brexit, for many reasons.
Both sides, the ERG and remainers from all parties, Anna Soubry for example, Tory mp. Anger among the silent majority. The vocal minority lobby people like her and she goes on question time saying 2/3rds of her constituency support remain or a people’s vote. And she believed it, and so did labour because they don’t speak to, it listen the normal folk. And look what happened.
Then Boris gets his election. His advisors did listen, they tapped into the real mood of the public. His position was clear. GET BREXIT DONE.
Labour had Thornbury and others STILL campaigning for a people’s vote.YOU were smart enough to say, half the electorate will go apeshyte if they don’t implement it. If a young lad from town is shrewd enough to see this, why not the Labour Party? Because they don’t listen, they dictate. Browns “that bigoted woman” never mind if they had issues in her area, she’s a bigot. The issues don’t matter.
The leader himself saying he’d for a people’s vote, but would say if he supported it or not. Labour politicians saying “no one voted to be poorer”. No we didn’t, but we still voted leave so respect it. “Kinnock the younger” saying the “people didn’t know what they voted for, “yes, we did, we voted leave. So respect it. Then we had the likes of Abbott and long Bailey on the front bench. Jeez.
They had madcap schemes like installing free fibre broadband for everyone, based on borrowing. When we have broadband anyway.
Mixed messages, conflicting statements from different members of the front bench.
Saying hey, look what these tosses are lying about now is irrelevant- sayining look how good an alternative we can offer, much more positive.
Corona. Every opportunity to help, to offer to work WITH Boris should have been offered, even to the point off offering to form a government of national unity. Being seen to be proactive in times of crisis goes a long way. It could also have helped avert some of the terrible blunders made under the current regime, and if rejected then hey they can say we offered to help in the interests of the nation........much better than perhaps being seems as sniping from the sidelines with the benefit of hindsight
Anyone who thinks this pandemic will damage the tories might be mistaken. They will say things like “no European nation got it right, Belgium, France, Spain etc” all made mistakes and no one had a manual to work too. We made difficult decisions. We furloughed staff to project jobs. We tried to protect people while we tried to protect jobs and livelihoods. And it will carry some weight. If he’s clever, this crisis could turn out to be as useful to Boris as the Falkland war was to thatcher. And he has some shrewd unscrupulous advisors.
Simply bitching about how bad the nasty party are just won’t work, it won’t appeal to enough people.
Labour need to be proactive, positive,sensible, centre ground and appeal to as many people as possible to get the blue out, not appeal to the minority audience who are already on board.
As I’ve said many times, there’s a reason “old labour” have not been in power for almost 50 years. Until the Labour Party understand why this is, they won’t be in power for another 50 years.
In fact, in a decade or a little more, you could end up seeing the Green Party replace them.