[moondog]

A fantastic new interview here with John Duncan

https://audioboom.co...s-over-the-line

[dim view]

moondog, on 26 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

A fantastic new interview here with John Duncan

https://audioboom.co...s-over-the-line

Fabulous

It's scandalous that JD is not involved at CFC at a very senior level. I'd make him President.

[moondog]

dim view, on 26 October 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

Fabulous

It's scandalous that JD is not involved at CFC at a very senior level. I'd make him President.

Good shout, also good to hear Jack met him this week for a chat

[hardgums]

Terrific listen. Intelligent and insightful guy. Always thought he didn't receive the recognition he deserved during his Chesterfield tenure. I used to sit in the old Wing Stand at Saltergate and every game without fail, some guy used to get up and holler 'resign Duncan'! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did it at Old Trafford!

[Mr Mercury]

hardgums, on 26 October 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

Terrific listen. Intelligent and insightful guy. Always thought he didn't receive the recognition he deserved during his Chesterfield tenure. I used to sit in the old Wing Stand at Saltergate and every game without fail, some guy used to get up and holler 'resign Duncan'! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did it at Old Trafford!

He never got the recognition he deserved to be fair, and I say that in hindsight has one of those who at times did voice my disapproval of his management. JD was a master at using what he'd got to the best of its ability. And when he was allowed to bring in good players he returned with good football, it only went sour when, similar to now, quality players were sold and replaced with poorer players, the results were inevitable. Oh and then we had a crook in charge who fleeced whatever he could from the club and ended up doing jail time.

[Madorama]

moondog, on 26 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

A fantastic new interview here with John Duncan

https://audioboom.co...s-over-the-line

What a splendid interview John Duncan talks really well.Shame on you FA and elleray! Goosebumps again!

[Westbars Spireite]

hardgums, on 26 October 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

Terrific listen. Intelligent and insightful guy. Always thought he didn't receive the recognition he deserved during his Chesterfield tenure. I used to sit in the old Wing Stand at Saltergate and every game without fail, some guy used to get up and holler 'resign Duncan'! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did it at Old Trafford!

I used to do a paper round as a teenager for a bloke who refused to go while Duncan was manager and was true to his word, even missing the Old Trafford semi-final. Whether he ever went back I've no idea.

[Siberian Spireite]

Duncan got the best results from the players he had but also signed some good ones which I think he misused (e.g. Gaughan, Wilkinson... did he sign Willis?).
However, my overriding feeling towards JD is admiration for a decent man who chose not to screw over the club over monies owed, after Brown had brought it to the brink of oblivion.

[Elmer Fudd's Thick Lip]

Superb little piece.

John Duncan - Full of integrity and brought us some of our best times as Town fans. Like or loathe his style of play he was and still is a class act who will go down in CFC folklore and legend for what he did for and achieved with CFC.

Thanks Scotch Johnny, from the very bottom of my heart.

[whittman]

What a brilliant listen which brought back so many memories of the day

If Jack can tap in to John Duncans insight and knowledge of the game he and the club as a whole should be in safe hands

[Blue5]

moondog, on 26 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

A fantastic new interview here with John Duncan

https://audioboom.co...s-over-the-line

Thank you for sharing, Moondog.

A great interview by John. A gentleman who remains in football for the right reasons.

[Westbars Spireite]

I remember him signing Steve Wilkinson, an absolute poacher in the lower divisions, and playing him in midfield to no effect whatsoever.

When it comes to Duncan's time (the second time for me) I have to admit, the obvious aside, I tend to think immediately to the more negative aspects.

That said he is a club legend for all the right reasons, far more important things than footballing formations and he should be respected accordingly.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 26 October 2017 - 07:24 PM

[whittman]

Westbars Spireite, on 26 October 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

I used to do a paper round as a teenager for a bloke who refused to go while Duncan was manager and was true to his word, even missing the Old Trafford semi-final. Whether he ever went back I've no idea.

I suppose some things never change only the people involved lol

My grandad used to say he would never set foot in Saltergate while Shentall was chairman and of course we have the not a penny more brigade today

[h again]

moondog, on 26 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

A fantastic new interview here with John Duncan

https://audioboom.co...s-over-the-line

Still can't imagine what was going on in Elleray's mind when he disallowed the goal, and was wrong on two counts as JD mentions, because Andy Morris was blatantly fouled and prevented from scoring the rebound even if the ball hadn't crossed the line.
Was it just blind panic at the thought he might get a Premiership team kicked out of the cup, or was he having doubts about our penalty and trying to even things up, or did he just lose concentration and wake up to find he didn't really know what had happened. All highly unlikely, but what on earth WAS he thinking of.

[Spire-Power]

Our soft pen was evened up by theirs

[dim view]

h again, on 26 October 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

Still can't imagine what was going on in Elleray's mind when he disallowed the goal, and was wrong on two counts as JD mentions, because Andy Morris was blatantly fouled and prevented from scoring the rebound even if the ball hadn't crossed the line.
Was it just blind panic at the thought he might get a Premiership team kicked out of the cup, or was he having doubts about our penalty and trying to even things up, or did he just lose concentration and wake up to find he didn't really know what had happened. All highly unlikely, but what on earth WAS he thinking of.

ha ha. Time for another good natured inquest.....
One indisputable fact is that Morris was in an offside position when Howard shot, so he went from inactive to active if the ball didn't cross the line. Result? Free kick to them - unless you want to argue that illegally stopping a player from attempting to become active is still a penalty?

Another incongruity is that Duncan insists that the lino gave the goal and yet has never spoken to Ellerey to confirm it. I've never seen any video proof that the lino gave the goal, only Gray's commentary.

[whittman]

dim view, on 26 October 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

ha ha. Time for another good natured inquest.....
One indisputable fact is that Morris was in an offside position when Howard shot, so he went from inactive to active if the ball didn't cross the line. Result? Free kick to them - unless you want to argue that illegally stopping a player from attempting to become active is still a penalty?

Another incongruity is that Duncan insists that the lino gave the goal and yet has never spoken to Ellerey to confirm it. I've never seen any video proof that the lino gave the goal, only Gray's commentary.

But was the active and inactive thoughts on the offside rule in operation in 1997?

[smiffy]

dim view, on 26 October 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

ha ha. Time for another good natured inquest.....
One indisputable fact is that Morris was in an offside position when Howard shot, so he went from inactive to active if the ball didn't cross the line. Result? Free kick to them - unless you want to argue that illegally stopping a player from attempting to become active is still a penalty?

Another incongruity is that Duncan insists that the lino gave the goal and yet has never spoken to Ellerey to confirm it. I've never seen any video proof that the lino gave the goal, only Gray's commentary.

I was level with the penalty spot ,about 8 rows back . The Lino gave the goal and ran straight back to the halfway line only to sneak sheepishly back when he thought Elleray had seen it differently.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 26 October 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

ha ha. Time for another good natured inquest.....
One indisputable fact is that Morris was in an offside position when Howard shot, so he went from inactive to active if the ball didn't cross the line. Result? Free kick to them - unless you want to argue that illegally stopping a player from attempting to become active is still a penalty?

Another incongruity is that Duncan insists that the lino gave the goal and yet has never spoken to Ellerey to confirm it. I've never seen any video proof that the lino gave the goal, only Gray's commentary.

Is it indisputable that Morris was in an offside position? I would think you can run an argument that he was level with the defender looking at the you tube highlights.

[whittman]

smiffy, on 26 October 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

I was level with the penalty spot ,about 8 rows back . The Lino gave the goal and ran straight back to the halfway line only to sneak sheepishly back when he thought Elleray had seen it differently.

That was my memory of it as well

If only the officials had been able to talk as they are today with the earpieces lol

But knowing how pompous Ellary seemed with his schoolmaster instincts he would have probably ignored the lino if he had told him it had crossed the line