[calvin plummers socks]

Ridiculous post snakey

[Wooden Spoon]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 September 2023 - 05:38 PM, said:

Ridiculous post snakey

Given your military experience I’m sure you appreciate the nature of the instant decision, life threatening split second decsion, to fire and kill, or not fire and potentially you or your colleagues are killed.


If the armed police arnt being offered some sort of protection why would they put them selves in this position!?!?


Would you? I wouldn’t.


WhTs your solution CPS?

[ash_cfc]

Didn’t the fella who was shot try and run a fellow armed plod over, and was shot through the windscreen. If true, then it’s warranted. 1 shot could’ve saved X amount of lives.

[Mr Mercury]

Quaker, on 24 September 2023 - 05:34 PM, said:

I’ve just been reading on the BBC that more a than a hundred armed police officers have handed in their firearms permits. This leaves the Met in a bit of a pickle.

The way I read it is they are not coming out in support of the Rozzer that killed Chris Kabba but it’s more about them fearing prosecution when doing their work.

The death of anyone killed in this manner is tragic but it leaves armed officers in a very vulnerable position. I don’t know the ins and out of the Kaba case but from what I gather he was driving a car that was used the previous day in a crime involving guns.

I’m guessing with the copper being charged with murder that he was probably an innocent party but I don’t know, it will come out in court.

The MoD have offered armed troops under MACA which puts them in a vulnerable position. The armed police can say nah, I don’t want to do this anymore but the squaddies can’t.

The gangsters down in London are going to be rubbing their hands.

I do see where the armed police officers are coming from, they have to make life and death decisions in micro seconds based on intelligence they have, it’s not as easy a job as many folk think.

It will be interesting to see how this case unfolds and find out what exactly happened. The bottom line is he could well have shot the lad dead for no reason or he could, for some reason have felt threatened for himself, his colleagues or members of the public.

In the meantime, I hope all hell doesn’t break loose where we have armed gangsters running amok in the streets of our capital.

It’s a horrible position they have to put themselves in, mistake and they, or innocent civilians, could die, wrong decision and they face a murder charge.
I can fully understand the reluctance of fire arms officers hence them handing over their weapons.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 24 September 2023 - 08:22 PM

[oldgoat]

Why would anyone want to be a firearms officer in the police

[s42blue]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 September 2023 - 05:38 PM, said:

Ridiculous post snakey

Oh c’mon behave. We know you don’t like each other so why post this? Just ignore each other. Contributes nothing.

[Bobby Darling]

Quaker, on 24 September 2023 - 05:34 PM, said:

I’ve just been reading on the BBC that more a than a hundred armed police officers have handed in their firearms permits. This leaves the Met in a bit of a pickle.

The way I read it is they are not coming out in support of the Rozzer that killed Chris Kabba but it’s more about them fearing prosecution when doing their work.

The death of anyone killed in this manner is tragic but it leaves armed officers in a very vulnerable position. I don’t know the ins and out of the Kaba case but from what I gather he was driving a car that was used the previous day in a crime involving guns.

I’m guessing with the copper being charged with murder that he was probably an innocent party but I don’t know, it will come out in court.

The MoD have offered armed troops under MACA which puts them in a vulnerable position. The armed police can say nah, I don’t want to do this anymore but the squaddies can’t.

The gangsters down in London are going to be rubbing their hands.

I do see where the armed police officers are coming from, they have to make life and death decisions in micro seconds based on intelligence they have, it’s not as easy a job as many folk think.

It will be interesting to see how this case unfolds and find out what exactly happened. The bottom line is he could well have shot the lad dead for no reason or he could, for some reason have felt threatened for himself, his colleagues or members of the public.

In the meantime, I hope all hell doesn’t break loose where we have armed gangsters running amok in the streets of our capital.

He was shot for driving a car that had been used for carrying guns? That’s a reason. No disrespect but the presence of the British Army on streets didn’t pan out well though they shouldn’t have been put in that position. Please tell me how many times the police shoot a gangster? Or even arrest one? I think gangsters rub their hands that the Met exists in its continued unreformed state. The recruitment policy, given the events of the last 2 years, hasn’t changed. No applicant has their social media checked? You could post that and get in!

[Westbars Spireite]

Little wonder they have refused to take up their guns if they fear that the CPS and wider legal system is going to fall on the side of the criminals.

[Doreets]

Quaker, on 25 September 2023 - 01:01 PM, said:

Now up to 300 have given up their role as firearms officers.

Not in protest of the one who killed Kabba but for the fear of repercussions of doing their jobs.

The whole process needs an overhaul. Armed officers need have no fear or favour and if they don’t feel that’s the case I don’t blame them.

Brilliant. So when a trio of jihadis are going round stabbing people in the street we'll just have to hope someone can persuade them to stop.

[Doreets]

Quaker, on 25 September 2023 - 02:08 PM, said:

So what do you suggest they do?

These people are not confident the law is clear enough to stop them being convicted of murder whilst they go about doing their jobs.

If we want protecting from these Jihads who go around the streets stabbing people, then those we rely on to use force to stop them need proctecting also. Its just my view, I don't speak for anyone else.

oh the sarcasm didn't come across. im agreeing with you

it's disgraceful that the armed police officer in question has been thrown under the bus and you can see why his colleagues now live in fear of making the wrong split second decision. I wouldn't want to live with that stress.

[Johnnyspireite7]

Looks like enough have turned in to end the 'crisis'

[isleaiw1]

Quaker, on 25 September 2023 - 02:24 PM, said:

Point taken

The officer who killed Chris Kabba could be as guilty as sin for all I know, we will see what happens in court and see if he has been thrown under a bus. I do believe armed police should be able to justify their actions whatever happens but they should also be judged on the circumstances and the time they have to make a life or death decision.

I get they make life or death decisions and they need supporting. However, if they make a bad call then that needs to be investigated. IF this copper has not followed procedure, gone a bit rogue, shot when he shouldnt have, then doesnt he deserve to be treated accordingly? And given its a court case not an immediate firing and burning at the stake, isnt he going to get a chance to prove guilt or innocence?

I'm all for innocent till proven guilty but there has to be a process by which they can be found guilty if they go rogue.