[Bald magician]

I love paul cook. He?s every I want in a manager. Arguably the best manager we have ever had.

When is the crunch point. I want him here forever but inevitably that won?t be the case. What is the most like scenario for an exit. Some scenarios;

Offers from other clubs (most likely?)
End of current contract
Poor form of team
Lack of funds at the crunch moment

[Blue roan lily]

Bald magician, on 02 June 2024 - 11:16 AM, said:

I love paul cook. He?s every I want in a manager. Arguably the best manager we have ever had.

When is the crunch point. I want him here forever but inevitably that won?t be the case. What is the most like scenario for an exit. Some scenarios;

Offers from other clubs (most likely?)
End of current contract
Poor form of team
Lack of funds at the crunch moment

Hopefully there wont be one..

This post has been edited by Blue roan lily: 02 June 2024 - 11:25 AM

[Bald magician]

Ha. I agree but realistically it will.

If i was the Kirk brothers I?d be looking to ensure all possible scenarios for a cookie exit are water tight not possible alas not 100 percent possible but lots can be done to keep another bald magician

[dtp]

As he gets older and wiser he might prefer to choose happiness over money.

Then, again, if the opportunity came to manage a big club he might decide to give it one last shot. This, though, could be tempered by his experiences in the past such as at Ipswich.

There will come a time when he might want to retire and, I would suggest, we are a club which might allow him to do that gradually. Would any other club allow him to do that?

[Benno Spire]

The crunch may come if we are struggling in the championship

[Osborne again]

Paul Cook likes the club,fans and the Barrel Inn. He knows that most of the fans love him too, but I suppose if a massive club came in for him it would be hard for him to say no. On there other hand, it feels like operation look what you could have had and a two fingered salute to Dave Allen and Renfield.
In my time I've worked for some massive companies and earned more than decent salaries but have been less happy due to the inner politics of said establishments. He's dealing with players who want to play for him and not just pick up a wage and a seat in the stands.
Nothing's forever so let's just enjoy the ride.

[Bald magician]

 Osborne again, on 02 June 2024 - 12:35 PM, said:

Paul Cook likes the club,fans and the Barrel Inn. He knows that most of the fans love him too, but I suppose if a massive club came in for him it would be hard for him to say no. On there other hand, it feels like operation look what you could have had and a two fingered salute to Dave Allen and Renfield.
In my time I've worked for some massive companies and earned more than decent salaries but have been less happy due to the inner politics of said establishments. He's dealing with players who want to play for him and not just pick up a wage and a seat in the stands.
Nothing's forever so let's just enjoy the ride.

I wonder if the offer of a new contract would be a crunch moment ? Surely the Kirk?s must have given this serious consideration?

[Osborne again]

 Bald magician, on 02 June 2024 - 12:44 PM, said:

I wonder if the offer of a new contract would be a crunch moment ? Surely the Kirk?s must have given this serious consideration?

I'm not sure mate, but I have a feeling that it won't be far from their thoughts.

[Mr Mercury]

 Bald magician, on 02 June 2024 - 11:16 AM, said:

I love paul cook. He?s every I want in a manager. Arguably the best manager we have ever had.

When is the crunch point. I want him here forever but inevitably that won?t be the case. What is the most like scenario for an exit. Some scenarios;

Offers from other clubs (most likely?)
End of current contract
Poor form of team
Lack of funds at the crunch moment

I think he?d like to get us back into L1 then see what happens. There would certainly be bigger clubs interested then as well, but going back to something Phil Kirk said at the AGM, he said he thought they, the Kirks, could sustain the club in L1 but the difference financially between there and the Championship was massive and to push us on to that promised land, my words there not theirs, it would require extra investment. If that was forthcoming and Cook was given serious funding to push for the Championship that could well twist his arm!

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 02 June 2024 - 02:30 PM

[Bald magician]

 Mr Mercury, on 02 June 2024 - 02:30 PM, said:

I think he?d like to get us back into L1 then see what happens. There would certainly be bigger clubs interested then as well, but going back to something Phil Kirk said at the AGM, he said he thought they, the Kirks, could sustain the club in L1 but the difference financially between there and the Championship was massive and to push us on to that promised land, my words there not theirs, it would require extra investment. If that was forthcoming and Cook was given serious funding to push for the Championship that could well twist his arm!

Hmmm wouldn't that be ironic if Cook got us into a serious push for the championship only for that investment not to be there again. That must be in the back of his mind. Plenty to do.before we get into that scenario though

[Blue5]

Bald magician, on 02 June 2024 - 11:16 AM, said:

I love paul cook. He?s every I want in a manager. Arguably the best manager we have ever had.

When is the crunch point. I want him here forever but inevitably that won?t be the case. What is the most like scenario for an exit. Some scenarios;

Offers from other clubs (most likely?)
End of current contract
Poor form of team
Lack of funds at the crunch moment

Together with Phil and Ashley Kirk, Paul Cook is integral to our future success and how we hold his interest in the long term is something that I have frequently pondered but it's a subject I'm not too worried about.

PC has been quite open about his time at Ipswich, losing his father and the impact that had on him. I'd like to think that him coming back here has helped to put a smile on his face and I feel he does place a value on that.

For me, it's not about what other clubs do, it's about what we do. To answer your original question, PC is a leader and he knows exactly how to deliver success and that unity is paramount to achieving that so when the board and/or fans are no longer on the same page as him, that's when the crunch moment is most likely.

This post has been edited by Blue5: 02 June 2024 - 03:33 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Bald magician, on 02 June 2024 - 02:49 PM, said:

Hmmm wouldn't that be ironic if Cook got us into a serious push for the championship only for that investment not to be there again. That must be in the back of his mind. Plenty to do.before we get into that scenario though

I?d like to think the Kirk?s are more more ?invested? into the potential of what could be achieved than Allen and his assistant were.

[Osborne again]

Getting into the Championship may be feasible, but keeping us there would come at a price that's not worth thinking about. A season at that level would be the stuff of dreams but the Championship of now is equivalent to the Premier League ten years ago in regards to quality of player and what's being paid for them. I'd love us to play in the Championship before I croak, but not at the expense of the club going bust.

[Bald magician]

 Mr Mercury, on 02 June 2024 - 03:39 PM, said:

I?d like to think the Kirk?s are more more ?invested? into the potential of what could be achieved than Allen and his assistant were.

Yes i would like to think so too. I guess all investors \ financial backers of football teams have limits though

[Sammy Spireite]

 Bald magician, on 02 June 2024 - 12:44 PM, said:

I wonder if the offer of a new contract would be a crunch moment ? Surely the Kirk?s must have given this serious consideration?

Presumably, like the players, PC will have a promotion bonus, and annual increase as well as a promotion increase built in to this current contract.

That said, unless he?s on a rolling 1 year deal, we don?t know what length deal he signed but I am sure the Kirk?s will know and will already be discussing the future with him, a future that involves both him and the club together.

This post has been edited by Sammy Spireite: 02 June 2024 - 06:07 PM

[DIFH]

 Benno Spire, on 02 June 2024 - 12:26 PM, said:

The crunch may come if we are struggling in the championship

How short sighted that would be.

[Spireite93]

The crunch would be when he feels he can't take us any further or... we actually can't go any further

As much as we'd all love to fill the corners in, the cost of that and the risk against regularly filling the stadium is possibly the tipping point

Therefore we become limited to what we can afford in terms of bringing players in to be able to compete

I'd say its upper end of League One, hopefully with a daliance in the Championship?

This post has been edited by Spireite93: 02 June 2024 - 08:19 PM

[Phil V 72]

From his interviews I think the Ipswich experience still bothers him, so if the chance came for him to prove himself at Championship level at a similar sized club, I think that might temp him. He speaks about getting us back to where we should be, which is stable in L1, so if that happens and the right job comes up that might be the time.

[danblue]

 Phil V 72, on 03 June 2024 - 06:33 AM, said:

From his interviews I think the Ipswich experience still bothers him, so if the chance came for him to prove himself at Championship level at a similar sized club, I think that might temp him. He speaks about getting us back to where we should be, which is stable in L1, so if that happens and the right job comes up that might be the time.

I mean, if he got us back to L1, why wouldn't he stay on to have a crack at getting to the Championship?
An educated guess would say (with a team carrying 'promotion momentum', a settled squad and Cook in charge ready to start a L1 campaign) that the Kirks would find investors from their network to help strengthen the squad.

[Westbars Spireite]

I'm not going to give it a second thought at this stage. What will be will be.