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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:08 AM

I'm genuinely not seeking to damn with faint praise, but whilst I sincerely applauded the players for their hard work in winning yesterday it was an unspectacular performance against a very ordinary 'Vale side.

The tribute to Town legend Ernie Moss offered an opportunity to note how small the Stoke outfit were. Plaudits to their followers for joining the appreciation of a true giant in every sense of the word - especially as it made a welcome change to see a starting eleven that couldn't necessarily outmuscle ours'.

Terrific to see another Town legend, Tommy Lee, make a welcome return from career threatening injury, too.

The exit of our only real left sided defender less than twenty four hours before kick-off told us what to expect - three right footers in a back three. Infact I was staggered the visitors didn't double-up down that wing and exploit the fact. Yet no, and the first half an hour turned into the same kinda forgettable exchange as witnessed at Meadow Lane the previous week. Then just as an incompetent ref intervened in Nottingham, Dennis and Sinnott - who'd also created the first - delivered two strikes that dictated the rest of the afternoon.

The son of the ex PV boss let the eight hundred-odd travelling fans know all about it (gotta be careful there, pal), whilst at the same time as celebrating his form the cynical may wonder if three in three will see a 'For Sale' sign attached to another successful 'KD'.

If we're gonna criticise Gary Caldwell when he gets it wrong let's also praise him for getting it right, and moving Wigan loanee Flores into a slightly tighter position did seem to bolster a previously porous midfield.

'Vale offered at least the hint of a fightback as the second half started, though our hugely experienced central defensive duo provided a non-stop succession of interceptions. It was also encouraging to see Wiseman making forays forward, as Town reasserted themselves even if it wasn't exactly what might be deemed convincing. Perhaps it's just the nature of football at this level or symptomatic of a squad finding confidence, but there seemed a lack of tempo, of sharpness, of pace, a performance punctuated by far too many wayward passes.

Weir caught my eye as, like the proven pair behind him, he demonstrated a genuine authority. Disappointments? Well whilst recognising we shouldn't allow his reported salary to influence thinking I expected a similar authority from O'Grady, something sadly missing thus far. I'd have subbed him quite some time before he actually was. Similarly Reid failed to impress, his stature and/or inexperience seeing him all too often lose possession.

However his possible replacement McCourt's lunging tackle only a few minutes after coming on and only a few minutes before the game was won was just plain daft.

The final whistle was met by loud protests from the remaining 'Vale fans who'd earlier sung 'Yer don't know what yer doing' after a substitution. Great way to inspire the bloke coming on, I thought, and why didn't they sing 'Yer do know what yer doing' after a change they approved? Seriously, though, their team could've played 'til midnight without really testing Tommy Lee.

So how good or bad are we? How good or bad have our opponents been? How good or bad is this division? It's certainly been a topsy-turvy start to the season with everyone pretty much beating everyone else. I mean, Grimsby? Three-one winners at the Proact on opening day? Went down to the same scoreline at Stevenage. That modest Notts outfit from last week? Bagged four away at Wycombe. Meanwhile a Lincoln that many expected to continue their momentum are struggling as unfancied Newport leave Coventry with the points.

Oh, and maybe we should mention that our own embarrassed and bankrupt club are only a point behind those self appointed champions-in-waiting that play in yellow...

I wonder if a little may go a long way this year, so given the half a mil' we supposedly received for Evans alongside cash to come from sell-on clauses the days preceding August 31st could be absolutely crucial.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:28 AM

There's no excuse for not significantly strengthening the squad given the sell on bonuses Donohue sale and other monies.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:42 AM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 20 August 2017 - 08:08 AM, said:

I'm genuinely not seeking to damn with faint praise, but whilst I sincerely applauded the players for their hard work in winning yesterday it was an unspectacular performance against a very ordinary 'Vale side.

The tribute to Town legend Ernie Moss offered an opportunity to note how small the Stoke outfit were. Plaudits to their followers for joining the appreciation of a true giant in every sense of the word - especially as it made a welcome change to see a starting eleven that couldn't necessarily outmuscle ours'.

Terrific to see another Town legend, Tommy Lee, make a welcome return from career threatening injury, too.

The exit of our only real left sided defender less than twenty four hours before kick-off told us what to expect - three right footers in a back three. Infact I was staggered the visitors didn't double-up down that wing and exploit the fact. Yet no, and the first half an hour turned into the same kinda forgettable exchange as witnessed at Meadow Lane the previous week. Then just as an incompetent ref intervened in Nottingham, Dennis and Sinnott - who'd also created the first - delivered two strikes that dictated the rest of the afternoon.

The son of the ex PV boss let the eight hundred-odd travelling fans know all about it (gotta be careful there, pal), whilst at the same time as celebrating his form the cynical may wonder if three in three will see a 'For Sale' sign attached to another successful 'KD'.

If we're gonna criticise Gary Caldwell when he gets it wrong let's also praise him for getting it right, and moving Wigan loanee Flores into a slightly tighter position did seem to bolster a previously porous midfield.

'Vale offered at least the hint of a fightback as the second half started, though our hugely experienced central defensive duo provided a non-stop succession of interceptions. It was also encouraging to see Wiseman making forays forward, as Town reasserted themselves even if it wasn't exactly what might be deemed convincing. Perhaps it's just the nature of football at this level or symptomatic of a squad lacking confidence, but there seemed a lack of tempo, of sharpness, of pace, a performance punctuated by far too many wayward passes.

Weir caught my eye as, like the proven pair behind him, he demonstrated a genuine authority. Disappointments? Well whilst recognising we shouldn't allow his reported salary to influence thinking I expected a similar authority from O'Grady, something sadly missing thus far. I'd have subbed him quite some time before he actually was. Similarly Reid failed to impress, his stature and/or inexperience seeing him all too often lose possession.

However his possible replacement McCourt's lunging tackle only a few minutes after coming on and only a few minutes before the game was won was just plain daft.

The final whistle was met by loud protests from the remaining 'Vale fans who'd earlier sung 'Yer don't know what yer doing' after a substitution. Great way to inspire the bloke coming on, I thought, and why didn't they sing 'Yer do know what yer doing' after a change they approved? Seriously, though, their team could've played 'til midnight without really testing Tommy Lee.

So how good or bad are we? How good or bad have our opponents been? How good or bad is this division? It's certainly been a topsy-turvy start to the season with everyone pretty much beating everyone else. I mean, Grimsby? Three-one winners at the Proact on opening day? Went down to the same scoreline at Stevenage. That modest Notts outfit from last week? Bagged four away at Wycombe. Meanwhile a Lincoln that many expected to continue their momentum are struggling as unfancied Newport leave Coventry with the points.

Oh, and maybe we should mention that our own embarrassed and bankrupt club are only a point behind those self appointed champions-in-waiting that play in yellow...

I wonder if a little may go a long way this year, so given the half a mil' we supposedly received for Evans alongside cash to come from sell-on clauses the days preceding August 31st could be absolutely crucial.


Not a bad summary Chris.

I note, whilst not my choice, Reid got MOM whilst not impressing you, though!!!!

Similarly, I thought O'Grady gave our defence options in that when they needed to boot it clear he often won it, held it up, and bought us time. He occupied their centre backs but gave me the impression he will create more than he scores. In essence, the work he did often goes unappreciated and it's something we have not had for a long time as clearances didn't just come back at an unorganised defence.

There will be battles in this division with teams content to stop us playing but if, and I say if, this is a sign of things to come we will need to win the right to play. We did that yesterday and for 20 minutes in the first half we played very well indeed. Second half we basically controlled the game and was more about not losing what we had rather than improving on it.

I don't think our business is done yet. GC has two Triallists in (you know nowt??) but I'd like to think they will be left-sided and possibly a full-back and cover for Evatt as, for me, his position is key and we are short of a monster.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:50 AM

View Postdtp, on 20 August 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Not a bad summary Chris.

I note, whilst not my choice, Reid got MOM whilst not impressing you, though!!!!

Similarly, I thought O'Grady gave our defence options in that when they needed to boot it clear he often won it, held it up, and bought us time. He occupied their centre backs but gave me the impression he will create more than he scores. In essence, the work he did often goes unappreciated and it's something we have not had for a long time as clearances didn't just come back at an unorganised defence.

There will be battles in this division with teams content to stop us playing but if, and I say if, this is a sign of things to come we will need to win the right to play. We did that yesterday and for 20 minutes in the first half we played very well indeed. Second half we basically controlled the game and was more about not losing what we had rather than improving on it.

I don't think our business is done yet. GC has two Triallists in (you know nowt??) but I'd like to think they will be left-sided and possibly a full-back and cover for Evatt as, for me, his position is key and we are short of a monster.


Fair and reasoned points as always, my friend.

And yeah - much to our astonishment my mate saw Reid getting MOTM on his phone!

Ah well, it can only boost the confidence of a young player.

Either way I've a weird feeling this morning, one I've not felt for quite some time.

I think they call it optimism or something....?

(Hey - maybe 'A Mild Dose Of Optimism' would've been a better thread title.)
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 10:06 AM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 20 August 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

Fair and reasoned points as always, my friend.

And yeah - much to our astonishment my mate saw Reid getting MOTM on his phone!

Ah well, it can only boost the confidence of a young player.

Either way I've a weird feeling this morning, one I've not felt for quite some time.

I think they call it optimism or something....?

(Hey - maybe 'A Mild Dose Of Optimism' would've been a better thread title.)


Suggest, you stay in bed and get the wife to ring the doctors in the morning, Chris.

Long may your symptoms continue.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 10:48 AM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 20 August 2017 - 08:08 AM, said:

I'm genuinely not seeking to damn with faint praise, but whilst I sincerely applauded the players for their hard work in winning yesterday it was an unspectacular performance against a very ordinary 'Vale side.

The tribute to Town legend Ernie Moss offered an opportunity to note how small the Stoke outfit were. Plaudits to their followers for joining the appreciation of a true giant in every sense of the word - especially as it made a welcome change to see a starting eleven that couldn't necessarily outmuscle ours'.

Terrific to see another Town legend, Tommy Lee, make a welcome return from career threatening injury, too.

The exit of our only real left sided defender less than twenty four hours before kick-off told us what to expect - three right footers in a back three. Infact I was staggered the visitors didn't double-up down that wing and exploit the fact. Yet no, and the first half an hour turned into the same kinda forgettable exchange as witnessed at Meadow Lane the previous week. Then just as an incompetent ref intervened in Nottingham, Dennis and Sinnott - who'd also created the first - delivered two strikes that dictated the rest of the afternoon.

The son of the ex PV boss let the eight hundred-odd travelling fans know all about it (gotta be careful there, pal), whilst at the same time as celebrating his form the cynical may wonder if three in three will see a 'For Sale' sign attached to another successful 'KD'.

If we're gonna criticise Gary Caldwell when he gets it wrong let's also praise him for getting it right, and moving Wigan loanee Flores into a slightly tighter position did seem to bolster a previously porous midfield.

'Vale offered at least the hint of a fightback as the second half started, though our hugely experienced central defensive duo provided a non-stop succession of interceptions. It was also encouraging to see Wiseman making forays forward, as Town reasserted themselves even if it wasn't exactly what might be deemed convincing. Perhaps it's just the nature of football at this level or symptomatic of a squad finding confidence, but there seemed a lack of tempo, of sharpness, of pace, a performance punctuated by far too many wayward passes.

Weir caught my eye as, like the proven pair behind him, he demonstrated a genuine authority. Disappointments? Well whilst recognising we shouldn't allow his reported salary to influence thinking I expected a similar authority from O'Grady, something sadly missing thus far. I'd have subbed him quite some time before he actually was. Similarly Reid failed to impress, his stature and/or inexperience seeing him all too often lose possession.

However his possible replacement McCourt's lunging tackle only a few minutes after coming on and only a few minutes before the game was won was just plain daft.

The final whistle was met by loud protests from the remaining 'Vale fans who'd earlier sung 'Yer don't know what yer doing' after a substitution. Great way to inspire the bloke coming on, I thought, and why didn't they sing 'Yer do know what yer doing' after a change they approved? Seriously, though, their team could've played 'til midnight without really testing Tommy Lee.

So how good or bad are we? How good or bad have our opponents been? How good or bad is this division? It's certainly been a topsy-turvy start to the season with everyone pretty much beating everyone else. I mean, Grimsby? Three-one winners at the Proact on opening day? Went down to the same scoreline at Stevenage. That modest Notts outfit from last week? Bagged four away at Wycombe. Meanwhile a Lincoln that many expected to continue their momentum are struggling as unfancied Newport leave Coventry with the points.

Oh, and maybe we should mention that our own embarrassed and bankrupt club are only a point behind those self appointed champions-in-waiting that play in yellow...

I wonder if a little may go a long way this year, so given the half a mil' we supposedly received for Evans alongside cash to come from sell-on clauses the days preceding August 31st could be absolutely crucial.


Enjoyable, 'unconvoluted' and to the point my friend. I would seriously advise you to collect your post- match musings in a compendium and sell to Waterstones .... or even the club shop!

I think with O Grady - compared to their no. 9 Pope he made his presence felt on a number of occasions. Only the shocking finishing later in the game downed it for me. However, I'm scratching my head as to how he was with Brighton last year - will get better and fitter. Reid, although ahead of Wakefield is not ready yet. He'll be a decent part player.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:10 PM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 20 August 2017 - 08:08 AM, said:

Oh, and maybe we should mention that our own embarrassed and bankrupt club are only a point behind those self appointed champions-in-waiting that play in yellow...

Literally the only place I have ever seen anyone mention that we think we will win the league is by people on here.
So can you all stop making stuff up? It's pathetic.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:27 PM

View PostTrophy5, on 20 August 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

Literally the only place I have ever seen anyone mention that we think we will win the league is by people on here.
So can you all stop making stuff up? It's pathetic.

Really I think you should visit your spireite obsessed forum. Stagshite. The problem you've got is that you have loaded your squad with defenders and midfielders. Signing a quality striker is becoming is much more challenging. Noticed that Hanson turned you down last week well of course he would. I laughed out loud with the Talk of Akinde. You couldn't afford his left peg.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:12 PM

View PostWalton Spireite, on 20 August 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Really I think you should visit your spireite obsessed forum. Stagshite. The problem you've got is that you have loaded your squad with defenders and midfielders. Signing a quality striker is becoming is much more challenging. Noticed that Hanson turned you down last week well of course he would. I laughed out loud with the Talk of Akinde. You couldn't afford his left peg.


The sad fact is that the money is there for a striker and we wont get one. But you've hit on the problem, Walton.
Evans has spent his time chasing unrealistic targets and now we find ourselves with a squad that will keep the ball and make lovely triangles in midfield but has the penetration of a 1 inch d1ck.
Criminal really seeing as putting the chances away was such an issue last season.
Still, nobody has said we would ever win the league apart from spireites wanting a laugh at their own self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:26 PM

View PostWalton Spireite, on 20 August 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Really I think you should visit your spireite obsessed forum. Stagshite. The problem you've got is that you have loaded your squad with defenders and midfielders. Signing a quality striker is becoming is much more challenging. Noticed that Hanson turned you down last week well of course he would. I laughed out loud with the Talk of Akinde. You couldn't afford his left peg.

Don't forget Tom Hopper from Scunny.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:36 PM

View PostSecurity66, on 20 August 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

Don't forget Tom Hopper from Scunny.

Players just don't want to sign for a club with a three sided ground and a numpty of a manager. In fact I am surprised that the toys haven't come our of the Priam do the lack of striker signing progress.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:43 PM

View PostTrophy5, on 20 August 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

Literally the only place I have ever seen anyone mention that we think we will win the league is by people on here.
So can you all stop making stuff up? It's pathetic.

You will have only seen it on here because your fellow yellow stainer with his yellow choo choo keeps posting it up on here. So why don't you both just stay away and stick to your own forum cos to be fair the tripe you lot post on here is also pathetic.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:44 PM

View PostSecurity66, on 20 August 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

Don't forget Tom Hopper from Scunny.



Couldn't forget him as I'd have to know who he was
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:46 PM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on 20 August 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Couldn't forget him as I'd have to know who he was

Keep up Neil😬
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:53 PM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on 20 August 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Couldn't forget him as I'd have to know who he was



Quite infamous actually for being sacked by Leicester along with former Spireite loanee keeper Adam Smith and former manager Nigel Pearson's lad
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:55 PM

View Postmoondog, on 20 August 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Quite infamous actually for being sacked by Leicester along with former Spireite loanee keeper Adam Smith and former manager Nigel Pearson's lad

What happens in Thailand etc.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:01 PM

View PostSecurity66, on 20 August 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

Keep up Neil😬



Googled, appears to be more well known for his sex tape than his football
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:08 PM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on 20 August 2017 - 07:01 PM, said:

Googled, appears to be more well known for his sex tape than his football

Would have fitted in well at the Yellowstain then.
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View PostSecurity66, on 20 August 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

Would have fitted in well at the Yellowstain then.

Especially with their CEO
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:21 PM

View Postdtp, on 20 August 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Not a bad summary Chris.

I note, whilst not my choice, Reid got MOM whilst not impressing you, though!!!!

Similarly, I thought O'Grady gave our defence options in that when they needed to boot it clear he often won it, held it up, and bought us time. He occupied their centre backs but gave me the impression he will create more than he scores. In essence, the work he did often goes unappreciated and it's something we have not had for a long time as clearances didn't just come back at an unorganised defence.

There will be battles in this division with teams content to stop us playing but if, and I say if, this is a sign of things to come we will need to win the right to play. We did that yesterday and for 20 minutes in the first half we played very well indeed. Second half we basically controlled the game and was more about not losing what we had rather than improving on it.

I don't think our business is done yet. GC has two Triallists in (you know nowt??) but I'd like to think they will be left-sided and possibly a full-back and cover for Evatt as, for me, his position is key and we are short of a monster.

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I've been disappointed in Reed in the last two games, Flores and Dennis were my motm.
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