[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Straightforward question: should the people of that province be allowed a democratic decision to 'remain' or 'leave' the UK?

[s42blue]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 04 February 2024 - 08:40 AM, said:

Straightforward question: should the people of that province be allowed a democratic decision to 'remain' or 'leave' the UK?

Yes. They are a separate nation with its now functioning Assembly who are part of the United Kingdom by Treaty of union in the early 1800s. I think part of the Good Friday Agreement allowed them to leave the Union and reunite with the RoI if they wish. Probably the original treaty did too. So yes if the rules say they can, they can.

You?

[turrhall]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 04 February 2024 - 08:40 AM, said:

Straightforward question: should the people of that province be allowed a democratic decision to 'remain' or 'leave' the UK?

Yes, as any nation under British control should - and generally do.

[Search & Destroy]

No

[s42blue]

Search & Destroy, on 04 February 2024 - 03:47 PM, said:

No

Whilst EoC asked a closed question let’s revert back to school days and say “show your workings”…

[Search & Destroy]

s42blue, on 04 February 2024 - 03:58 PM, said:

Whilst EoC asked a closed question let’s revert back to school days and say “show your workings”…

There’s relative peace at the moment, that would be shattered

[CFC91]

Are their any polls to N.Irish citizens and nationals as to whether it’s even something wanted?
I suspect it’s very divided as S&D alludes too with Unionists and Nationalists on both sides who wouldn’t be willing to find any compromise on what decoupling from the Union would entail?
I do imagine there’s a good proportion of regular every days citizens who sit closer to the fence but I have no idea what the will of the masses is

It’s been hard enough for them to get a government in Stormont let alone poking the bear on a United Ireland.

[s42blue]

CFC91, on 04 February 2024 - 06:12 PM, said:

Are their any polls to N.Irish citizens and nationals as to whether it’s even something wanted?
I suspect it’s very divided as S&D alludes too with Unionists and Nationalists on both sides who wouldn’t be willing to find any compromise on what decoupling from the Union would entail?
I do imagine there’s a good proportion of regular every days citizens who sit closer to the fence but I have no idea what the will of the masses is

It’s been hard enough for them to get a government in Stormont let alone poking the bear on a United Ireland.

Is that a yes or a no? 😂😂

[Bobby Darling]

CFC91, on 04 February 2024 - 06:12 PM, said:

Are their any polls to N.Irish citizens and nationals as to whether it’s even something wanted?
I suspect it’s very divided as S&D alludes too with Unionists and Nationalists on both sides who wouldn’t be willing to find any compromise on what decoupling from the Union would entail?
I do imagine there’s a good proportion of regular every days citizens who sit closer to the fence but I have no idea what the will of the masses is

It’s been hard enough for them to get a government in Stormont let alone poking the bear on a United Ireland.

Demographically N Ireland will eventually vote for union but it is not that simple. Some catholics will still want to link to Westminster. Some Protestants, especially powerful businesses, will want the EU benefits that being in Eire brings. And the Conservative and Unionist Party can’t by their own rules accept a united Ireland. Polls for young people in N Ireland, Catholic and Protestant, indicate that they emotionally feel more Irish that British. Unionism is on the decline but Eire probably still needs to decouple more from the Catholic Church.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Ultimately it's about democracy.

The 'will of the people'.

And the threat of violence, though very real, should never trump democracy...

[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 05 February 2024 - 06:39 AM, said:

Ultimately it's about democracy.

The 'will of the people'.

And the threat of violence, though very real, should never trump democracy...

Even if you don’t agree with it?


Public backs tougher Rwanda plan, poll reveals
Majority of constituencies in England and Wales believe illegal migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search & Destroy, on 05 February 2024 - 07:20 AM, said:

Even if you don’t agree with it?


Public backs tougher Rwanda plan, poll reveals
Majority of constituencies in England and Wales believe illegal migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal

Please don't divert again.

The question is should the people of NI being allowed a vote over remaining in or leaving the UK.

I say yes, of course. And no threats of violence should ever prevent that happening...

[dart in the crossbar]

Search & Destroy, on 05 February 2024 - 07:20 AM, said:

Even if you don’t agree with it?


Public backs tougher Rwanda plan, poll reveals
Majority of constituencies in England and Wales believe illegal migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal

Do you believe that illegal migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal?

Or do you believe that migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal?

[Search & Destroy]

dart in the crossbar, on 05 February 2024 - 03:11 PM, said:

Do you believe that illegal migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal?

Or do you believe that migrants should be removed immediately with no right of appeal?

Depends if you’re gonna tell me no migrants are illegal until their application has been heard.

But I’d say every single one to be sent to Rwanda for assessment and then very very few to be successful

[Holmesc1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 05 February 2024 - 06:39 AM, said:

Ultimately it's about democracy.

The 'will of the people'.

And the threat of violence, though very real, should never trump democracy...

Same as brexit was then whether you agree or disagree with it