[Phil V 72]

Suing the Premier League for discrimination. I mean, it?s a point of view I suppose.

https://www.bbc.com/...rggez4w209o.amp

[sixmilliondollardan]

Can't we just skip the investigation and relegate these ****s to the lowest league possible.

[Cartman]

Been thinking someone may challenge FFP regulations legally for a while, is it restraint of trade to tell a business owner how much they can spend? Or other businesses how much they can pay to advertise by sponsorship?

Wouldn?t happen in any other industry

I tend to agree with Martin Samuel who is one of the few journalists who maintains that FFP rules were devised to keep the traditional big clubs at the top and make sure other clubs can?t challenge them

[Siberian Spireite]

Cartman, on 05 June 2024 - 11:59 AM, said:

I tend to agree with Martin Samuel who is one of the few journalists who maintains that FFP rules were devised to keep the traditional big clubs at the top and make sure other clubs can?t challenge them

Clearly so, but it all comes down to the same question:
Should football operate as an unregulated free market?
For me, no.

[Phil V 72]

Siberian Spireite, on 05 June 2024 - 01:37 PM, said:

Clearly so, but it all comes down to the same question:
Should football operate as an unregulated free market?
For me, no.

But what Man City want is exactly that, unregulated. If they get their way, then the next target of these oil rich countries will be to turn their attentions to the likes of Man U or Liverpool (as these are more attractive prospects and have global appeal) and so you?ll just end up with the same situation, big clubs ruling the roost but with unrestricted spending.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Siberian Spireite, on 05 June 2024 - 01:37 PM, said:

Clearly so, but it all comes down to the same question:
Should football operate as an unregulated free market?
For me, no.

Agreed. It?s a sport, for which there are rules. Where does it end? Is only 5 subs a restraint, only 25 squad players an unfair restriction?

Moreover the FFP rules are written to save clubs from themselves, see the many failures. Albeit, they don?t work very well currently.

[Blue roan lily]

Phil V 72, on 05 June 2024 - 08:54 AM, said:

Suing the Premier League for discrimination. I mean, it?s a point of view I suppose.

https://www.bbc.com/...rggez4w209o.amp

Counter acting the 115 charges.
Potential ?back door? way to get away with numerous charges.
It?s about time the FA grew a pair and sorted these charges, after all they clobbered Everton and Forest for far, far less..
Get them in the National League North and let them play some real footballers..

[Osborne again]

Blue roan lily, on 05 June 2024 - 03:13 PM, said:

Counter acting the 115 charges.
Potential ?back door? way to get away with numerous charges.
It?s about time the FA grew a pair and sorted these charges, after all they clobbered Everton and Forest for far, far less..
Get them in the National League North and let them play some real footballers..

Never happen in a million years, but it's wrong. As you rightly said, they've hit both Everton and Forest so why not Man City. The Premier League will become as competitive as the Scottish Premiership if it's left to a certain few.

[whittman]

If city have nothing to hide as they claim why are they now trying to rewrite the rule book in their favour?

[Osborne again]

whittman, on 05 June 2024 - 04:45 PM, said:

If city have nothing to hide as they claim why are they now trying to rewrite the rule book in their favour?

They know they're in trouble so they've come out fighting with counter claims.

[Paragon of Virtue]

Man City are no different to the Red Bull clubs in my eyes.

[Blue roan lily]

Osborne again, on 05 June 2024 - 03:51 PM, said:

Never happen in a million years, but it's wrong. As you rightly said, they've hit both Everton and Forest so why not Man City. The Premier League will become as competitive as the Scottish Premiership if it's left to a certain few.

Correct..
Was having a chat about this with a pal yesterday and we got talking about what happens next season if nothings been sorted.
We came up with the idea of, when each team plays city home and away they play their under 23?s (as a protest) or which ever youth team but obviously then plays full strength against the rest of the league.
Whoever finishes second to city gets a proper decent trophy probably sourced from a third party.

This post has been edited by Blue roan lily: 05 June 2024 - 07:29 PM

[Osborne again]

Blue roan lily, on 05 June 2024 - 07:28 PM, said:

Correct..
Was having a chat about this with a pal yesterday and we got talking about what happens next season if nothings been sorted.
We came up with the idea of, when each team plays city home and away they play their under 23?s (as a protest) or which ever youth team but obviously then plays full strength against the rest of the league.
Whoever finishes second to city gets a proper decent trophy probably sourced from a third party.

All for it mate, but the clubs have balls the size of peas. There's over 150 charges against them and they think the rules don't apply to them. They should be told that, if they're found to have broken the rules and appeal, they'll be relegated to the Manchester Sunday League but if they don't it's the National League North 😄😄. Rangers fell from grace, so why not Man City. The Premier League were more than happy to see both Everton and Forest relegated by docking them points for far less.

[danblue]

Osborne again, on 06 June 2024 - 04:27 AM, said:

All for it mate, but the clubs have balls the size of peas. There's over 150 charges against them and they think the rules don't apply to them. They should be told that, if they're found to have broken the rules and appeal, they'll be relegated to the Manchester Sunday League but if they don't it's the National League North 😄😄. Rangers fell from grace, so why not Man City. The Premier League were more than happy to see both Everton and Forest relegated by docking them points for far less.

I'm guessing that with all the legal stuff, it can take months/years to sort.
I'm also guessing that with City that they'll have the crem de la crem of lawyers and an endless pot of owners money that whatever 'fight' the Premier League throw at them ,City and their owners would blow them out of the water.
That's probably why nothing has really be done - City might become bigger that the League itself, they might already be so

This post has been edited by danblue: 06 June 2024 - 06:02 AM

[Phil V 72]

danblue, on 06 June 2024 - 06:00 AM, said:

I'm guessing that with all the legal stuff, it can take months/years to sort.
I'm also guessing that with City that they'll have the crem de la crem of lawyers and an endless pot of owners money that whatever 'fight' the Premier League throw at them ,City and their owners would blow them out of the water.
That's probably why nothing has really be done - City might become bigger that the League itself, they might already be so

A cynic might say this is an attempt to tie up the PL lawyers in legal work so they don?t have time to concentrate on hearings against the charges they?re facing.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Phil V 72, on 06 June 2024 - 07:19 AM, said:

A cynic might say this is an attempt to tie up the PL lawyers in legal work so they don?t have time to concentrate on hearings against the charges they?re facing.

It?s a message to the PL.
We have bigger and more expensive lawyers than you.

[Mr Mercury]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 June 2024 - 07:31 AM, said:

It?s a message to the PL.
We have bigger and more expensive lawyers than you.

Akin to the Putin card, when he knows things arnt going his way he threatens nuclear Armageddon. Similar stance from City. I?ve said oh here before that I think the issue is that the charges against them are so severe they could be looking at a multi division relegation but the FA have neither the balls or know how how to go about it.

[JonB]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 June 2024 - 07:31 AM, said:

It?s a message to the PL.
We have bigger and more expensive lawyers than you.

Although they are apparently the same lawyers City used for a previous case and lost.

[born in 1866]

 Cartman, on 05 June 2024 - 11:59 AM, said:

Been thinking someone may challenge FFP regulations legally for a while, is it restraint of trade to tell a business owner how much they can spend? Or other businesses how much they can pay to advertise by sponsorship?

Wouldn?t happen in any other industry

I tend to agree with Martin Samuel who is one of the few journalists who maintains that FFP rules were devised to keep the traditional big clubs at the top and make sure other clubs can?t challenge them

If that said business owner joined a golf club or a trade organisation he would have to adhere to their rules and regulations or be booted out. The same goes for Man City. If they want to be in the "club" then they agree to the rules, if they don't like the rules they shouldn't have joined.