[Mr Mercury]

Bobby Darling, on 14 January 2024 - 12:24 AM, said:

Just read this as been away. My point is you give it out. But buckle occasionally when it’s given back. Don’t hide behind your mum. You challenge yet give it: “it’s my opinion”, “ mentioning my mum”, “why the personal snipes” when folk have a pop. You have an easy ride on this board. Stop moaning and going to the mods when folk wobble you. I respect what you post. I agree with very little apart from footie. You saying it don’t matter when you are called out is worrying. Not for me. But for you.

Maybe I ought to do an IQ test to curry your favour?

[Mr Mercury]

Blair, as usual, up to his neck in it!

Why Blair wanted to stick with Fujitsu
By Ryan Hooper
TONY Blair was warned that ditching the flawed Horizon system would have ‘profound implications’ for the UK’s relations with Japan, documents show.

Then prime minister, he said he favoured pressing ahead with Fujitsu’s software for the Post Office despite being warned it had been ‘plagued with problems’.

Notes from 1998 show the prime minister was warned by the UK’s ambassador to Japan that abandoning the deal, agreed under John Major’s Conservative government, would have ‘profound implications... for bilateral ties’ with Tokyo.

Sir Geoff Mulgan, a No 10 adviser to Sir Tony, told the Sunday Telegraph that a reluctance to strain relations with Japan ‘had a big influence’ on decision-making over Horizon.

In another memo that year, Sir Geoff warned the prime minister: ‘Overall, Horizon now looks increasingly flawed.’

He added: ‘Fujitsu have provided the financial commitment to secure a deal. This is a sign of how important the project is for them.’ The then Labour leader wrote that the primary concern was the system’s technical capability, adding: ‘The risks are pretty even, probably coming down on the side of continuing.’

The then trade and industry secretary Peter Mandelson, in a memo, said he believed the ‘only sensible choice is to proceed with the Horizon project’, because it offered the least risk. He wrote of the potential impact of tearing up the agreement: ‘Our relations with Fujitsu, a major inward investor into the UK over the past decade, would be severely damaged.’ The flawed accounting software led to the prosecution of hundreds of subpostmasters.

A spokesman for Sir Tony said: ‘In respect of the issue of the relationship with Japan, as [Sir Tony] made clear in his evidence to the (public) inquiry, that was one of a number of factors. It is now clear that the Horizon product was seriously flawed, leading to tragic and completely unacceptable consequences, and [Sir Tony] has deep sympathy with all those affected.’

The revelations came as Lord Cameron told Sky’s Sunday Morning With Trevor Phillips that he did not recall being briefed about the scandal in his time as prime minister, from 2010 to 2016.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

https://inews.co.uk/...scandal-2853780

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 15 January 2024 - 06:40 AM

[isleaiw1]

Quaker, on 19 January 2024 - 01:56 PM, said:

Watched a bit of the enquiry at lunchtime, this just gets worse, people have to be prosecuted for this surely.

Reading the thread above is like "Blame the Tories" or "Blame Labour". Its playground stuff, trying to get a bit of oneupmanship on the back of those whose lives collapsed around them.

All three parties need to shoulder some resposibility because it happened on all their doorsteps. However, The Post Office are the ones who did all the dirty deeds and they need to pay, even if the organisation goes out of business, they need to take immediate action and not bide their time waiting for people to die.

Fujitsu should never be able to trade in the UK again.

Its time Fujitsu put their hand in their pocket. Their system that didnt work, their inability to resolve. Had neither of those been present there would have been no issues...

[Town_Fan]

Quaker, on 19 January 2024 - 01:56 PM, said:

Fujitsu should never be able to trade in the UK again.

Their reputation is toast, so much so it's affecting companies that sound similar. I had a meeting with a chap from Fujifilm and they have had internal memos talking about how to explain to punters they arent the same company.

No way Fujitsu recovers from this in the UK.

[dim view]

isleaiw1, on 19 January 2024 - 09:22 PM, said:

Its time Fujitsu put their hand in their pocket. Their system that didnt work, their inability to resolve. Had neither of those been present there would have been no issues...

The PO prosecuted even though they knew the software was crap. They altered Fujitsu witness statements which eventually admitted failings in order to get prosecutions.

[Mr Mercury]

Far from calling for Fujitsu to never work in the UK again it looks as though the Labour mayor of Manchester is more than happy to work with them!

https://www.dailymai...ce-scandal.html

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 21 January 2024 - 09:00 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

So as I understand it.

According to the former head of the PO, who claims he's proof of it being said, a government representative insisted feet be dragged in terms of compensating scandal victims.

Because, it seems, the cost could be in the billions. Billions the Tories wanna use as election bribes instead.

Plus it'd leave a hefty bill for an incoming Labour government to pay, possibly impacting their plans to rebuild, well, pretty much everything.

However Badenoch furiously denies it. But stops short of accusing the former PO boss of lying in pubic, preferring a Commons statement which leaves her legally bombproof.

Who could possibly be telling the truth, here...

[s42blue]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 19 February 2024 - 12:32 PM, said:

So as I understand it.

According to the former head of the PO, who claims he's proof of it being said, a government representative insisted feet be dragged in terms of compensating scandal victims.

Because, it seems, the cost could be in the billions. Billions the Tories wanna use as election bribes instead.

Plus it'd leave a hefty bill for an incoming Labour government to pay, possibly impacting their plans to rebuild, well, pretty much everything.

However Badenoch furiously denies it. But stops short of accusing the former PO boss of lying in pubic, preferring a Commons statement which leaves her legally bombproof.

Who could possibly be telling the truth, here...

Genuinely shameful. Politics really does just seem like a game of strategy. Sad, sad indictment of those currently in office.

[dart in the crossbar]

s42blue, on 19 February 2024 - 03:01 PM, said:

Genuinely shameful. Politics really does just seem like a game of strategy. Sad, sad indictment of those currently in office.

The current lot have made it so. There's still plenty of politicians about with integrity.

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 19 February 2024 - 12:32 PM, said:

So as I understand it.

According to the former head of the PO, who claims he's proof of it being said, a government representative insisted feet be dragged in terms of compensating scandal victims.

Because, it seems, the cost could be in the billions. Billions the Tories wanna use as election bribes instead.

Plus it'd leave a hefty bill for an incoming Labour government to pay, possibly impacting their plans to rebuild, well, pretty much everything.

However Badenoch furiously denies it. But stops short of accusing the former PO boss of lying in pubic, preferring a Commons statement which leaves her legally bombproof.

Who could possibly be telling the truth, here...

bump
Riveting watching top barristers in action int it.

Looks like the succession of bosses who've all been paid millions in turn to head the PO are all going to have the same defence - they were all unaware of how one (or more) of their Divisions functioned because, with hindsight, their reporting structure was wrong.

Now, that excuse is pathetic but nontheless, will it stop them being prosecuted?

[fishini]

Sad when this traversty of justice is top of the list, when the blood scandal where 1000's have died is not mentioned at all.