[Walton Spireite]

The match like so many England games boring. The refereeing performance was disgraceful. Can Grealish actually go forwards.

[calvin plummers socks]

h again, on 21 November 2023 - 06:13 PM, said:

It seems to have been forgotten amongst all the hype, tribalism. and money, but football is about entertainment. Southgate's football isn't. I'm quite aware that a slogged out 1-0 can be classed as entertainment by the devoted fan, but for the neutral it can be like watching paint dry.
Southgate has taken a bunch of above average international players and removed all the excitement, whilst still managing to produce reasonable results,so the end might be said to justify the means, but Lord, it's boring. He's had the opportunity in the last couple of games to go for some entertaining football that might just have been transferred to our performance in more important games. He didn't. He got them playing the only way he knows - slow it down, stifle, keep possession and above all, run no risks, even when there are no risks to run.
If that's what it takes, you're welcome, but I'm one of several on here who can't be bothered to watch the international side play any more, and certainly not against tenth rate opposition. I never thought I'd ever be made to feel like that, but Southgate has managed it.

Nah football is about results.

If you want entertainment get Amazon Prime or Netflix

[DIFH]

2 meaningless games, half the main men missing. Dog of a pitch. Dog of a ref. Unbelievable VAR farce.

How can anyone get so worked up about a non performance ?

[clarevoyant.]

DIFH, on 22 November 2023 - 07:43 PM, said:

2 meaningless games, half the main men missing. Dog of a pitch. Dog of a ref. Unbelievable VAR farce.

How can anyone get so worked up about a non performance ?

Perhaps those who paid Wembley prices to watch a reasonable performance, but didn't get it.

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 22 November 2023 - 08:01 PM

[DIFH]

The main stream listeners were the big moaners.

[CFC91]

Quaker, on 21 November 2023 - 08:25 AM, said:

I guess I'm the only England fan then. I enjoy watching England and I think we have come on leaps and bounds over the last ten years. When we lived in Colchester I used to get free tickets to all the England games at Wembley so I think thats where my enthusiam came from. I get that its fashionable to not like them or Southgate and it can be seen as a stick to poke fun at those who do follow England but I can live with that.

We have some fantastic players and a great squad, I find it a bit exciting that we may well win something in the very near future.

You aren’t the only one. I’ve got got back from 3 days in Skopje, lovely little city, very cheap and a friendly set of locals

[clarevoyant.]

CFC91, on 22 November 2023 - 08:04 PM, said:

You aren’t the only one. I’ve got got back from 3 days in Skopje, lovely little city, very cheap and a friendly set of locals

What time did they let you exit the ground? in time to get a beer??

[h again]

calvin plummers socks, on 22 November 2023 - 05:12 AM, said:

Nah football is about results.

If you want entertainment get Amazon Prime or Netflix

You agree that Southgate doesn't provide entertainment then? I'm surprised that, as a coach (allegedly), you don't value good football very highly, but I suppose it's easier to coach negativity than skill.

[DIFH]

h again, on 22 November 2023 - 11:04 PM, said:

You agree that Southgate doesn't provide entertainment then? I'm surprised that, as a coach (allegedly), you don't value good football very highly, but I suppose it's easier to coach negativity than skill.

IMO practise = skill.

[calvin plummers socks]

h again, on 22 November 2023 - 11:04 PM, said:

You agree that Southgate doesn't provide entertainment then? I'm surprised that, as a coach (allegedly), you don't value good football very highly, but I suppose it's easier to coach negativity than skill.

You think managers at this level coach skill?
Bonkers

[danblue]

DIFH, on 23 November 2023 - 12:16 AM, said:

IMO practise = skill.

I'm not convinced by that.
Imo, you have to have a large amount of, let's say, natural skill to start with - something you are born with. Something 'athletic' in the genes. No matter the sport.Then you hone those skillsin your chosen sport.
If you gave me (athletic-ish now in my later years) and my wife (not athletic) a football each and told to practice keepie upies for two weeks, I don't really need to tell you what the results would be.

This post has been edited by danblue: 23 November 2023 - 08:39 AM

[h again]

calvin plummers socks, on 23 November 2023 - 12:28 AM, said:

You think managers at this level coach skill?
Bonkers

You didn't coach skills then? Doesn't come as a big surprise, really. Was yours the big boot department, or the feigning injury one?

[calvin plummers socks]

h again, on 23 November 2023 - 02:44 PM, said:

You didn't coach skills then? Doesn't come as a big surprise, really. Was yours the big boot department, or the feigning injury one?

Great post

[warfey is a spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 22 November 2023 - 05:12 AM, said:

Nah football is about results.

If you want entertainment get Amazon Prime or Netflix

I bought a lovely book if you want to borrow it,it's called how to become a trained physio .

[calvin plummers socks]

warfey is a spireite, on 23 November 2023 - 04:44 PM, said:

I bought a lovely book if you want to borrow it,it's called how to become a trained physio .

Good for you - get someone to read it to you and you may finally be able to get out of bed….

[Wooden Spoon]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 November 2023 - 04:05 PM, said:

Th tram (sic) has about 3 players at the top of their game and (shudder) world class.
Comparative to about 6 other nations so to make a final and semi is excellent.
GS is a spectacularly good manager.

If he leaves the England job after this next tournament what sort of club would be offering him a job?


It won’t be Man City liverpool spurs Aston Villa Man Utd Chelsea Brighton Newcastle Brighton


It would be West Ham at best, Crystal Palace Fulham notts forest and that level of club.



He’s not a spectacularly good manager. He lacks the ability to change games or counter opposition changes. That’s why he’s so cautious in his approach to games.

[DIFH]

Wooden Spoon, on 23 November 2023 - 08:27 PM, said:

If he leaves the England job after this next tournament what sort of club would be offering him a job?


It won’t be Man City liverpool spurs Aston Villa Man Utd Chelsea Brighton Newcastle Brighton


It would be West Ham at best, Crystal Palace Fulham notts forest and that level of club.



He’s not a spectacularly good manager. He lacks the ability to change games or counter opposition changes. That’s why he’s so cautious in his approach to games.

I’d want him to be cautious whilst ever qualification and or progress in the competition is on course. You only have to throw caution to the wind ( or play attacking football) if you are looking to lose or going home.


I’ve not seen any better alternative offered who will actually take the job.

[DIFH]

Wooden Spoon, on 23 November 2023 - 08:27 PM, said:

If he leaves the England job after this next tournament what sort of club would be offering him a job?


It won’t be Man City liverpool spurs Aston Villa Man Utd Chelsea Brighton Newcastle Brighton


It would be West Ham at best, Crystal Palace Fulham notts forest and that level of club.



He’s not a spectacularly good manager. He lacks the ability to change games or counter opposition changes. That’s why he’s so cautious in his approach to games.

I’d want him to be cautious whilst ever qualification and or progress in the competition is on course. You only have to throw caution to the wind ( or play attacking football) if you are looking to lose or going home.


I’ve not seen any better alternative offered who will actually take the job.

Wooden Spoon, on 23 November 2023 - 08:27 PM, said:

If he leaves the England job after this next tournament what sort of club would be offering him a job?


It won’t be Man City liverpool spurs Aston Villa Man Utd Chelsea Brighton Newcastle Brighton


It would be West Ham at best, Crystal Palace Fulham notts forest and that level of club.



He’s not a spectacularly good manager. He lacks the ability to change games or counter opposition changes. That’s why he’s so cautious in his approach to games.

I’d want him to be cautious whilst ever qualification and or progress in the competition is on course. You only have to throw caution to the wind ( or play attacking football) if you are looking to lose or going home.


I’ve not seen any better alternative offered who will actually take the job.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Other than the Sir Alf who actually won summat, Southgate's record is second to none.

Has he squandered a wealth of talent even beyond the supposed 'golden generation' available to SGE?

Dunno.

But it could also be argued he created an environment where players actually enjoy wearing the Three Lions as opposed to being inhibited by them.

Bearing in mind a number of converted penno's - including Kane's v France - might've left this entire conversation moot, too.

He is conservative. He is stubborn in terms of Maguire and Henderson. He does oversee sterile performances such as the recent two.

However they can be balanced against the goal fests of previous qualifiers and blowing away the multiple trophy winning Italians.

Let's judge him after he leaves for some post Germany position with the FA...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 25 November 2023 - 09:56 AM