[Spire-Power]

Agree but would say leprosy as opposed to osteoporosis

[dtp]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 August 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

"As for the third, he was in no man's land and made it easy for Morison"

As where the experienced defenders in front of him - had they done their job correctly Fulton could have been sat in the kop.

[Mr Mercury]

dtp, on 29 August 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

As where the experienced defenders in front of him - had they done their job correctly Fulton could have been sat in the kop.

Which is why we employ goalkeepers, for when the defence in front of him don't do their jobs.

[Westbars Spireite]

dtp, on 29 August 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

As where the experienced defenders in front of him - had they done their job correctly Fulton could have been sat in the kop.

It doesn't excuse the part his indecisive actions played in the goal.

[dtp]

Mr Mercury, on 29 August 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

Which is why we employ goalkeepers, for when the defence in front of him don't do their jobs.

But, the point is Fulton wasn't totally to blame for the third goal.

Regarding his positioning, yes he was in no-mans land but (1) should he have stayed on his line like no goalkeeper does when we are attacking, or (2) should he have charged out further where he couldn't handle the ball but only try to do the job both CBs had failed to do?

I've heard arguments for and against both (1) and (2) so, what is your opinion and that of the expert goalkeepers on this board?

[Nitrous Oxide]

Dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't, I just put it down to an excellent finish. Can't blame Fulton.

[dim view]

dtp, on 29 August 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

But, the point is Fulton wasn't totally to blame for the third goal.

Regarding his positioning, yes he was in no-mans land but (1) should he have stayed on his line like no goalkeeper does when we are attacking, or (2) should he have charged out further where he couldn't handle the ball but only try to do the job both CBs had failed to do?

I've heard arguments for and against both (1) and (2) so, what is your opinion and that of the expert goalkeepers on this board?

First goal, he was still adjusting his position. A top goalie would have saved it.
Third goal, he was in the right position to assist if either of the CH's had been doing their job; that is, competing physically with the CF. The CF had so much time and room the GK's position didn't alter the probability of him scoring.

[Spire-Power]

dim view, on 29 August 2016 - 04:17 PM, said:

First goal, he was still adjusting his position. A top goalie would have saved it.
Third goal, he was in the right position to assist if either of the CH's had been doing their job; that is, competing physically with the CF. The CF had so much time and room the GK's position didn't alter the probability of him scoring.

He was slow to get down for the first goal. He's big which makes that kind of understandable, but the shot was weak and his hand was not strong.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 29 August 2016 - 04:17 PM, said:

First goal, he was still adjusting his position. A top goalie would have saved it.
Third goal, he was in the right position to assist if either of the CH's had been doing their job; that is, competing physically with the CF. The CF had so much time and room the GK's position didn't alter the probability of him scoring.

Regarding the CHs the highlights fail to show the full picture. I was level with the first bounce of the ball. Evatt was marking Morison, He was two to five yards behind him, he was Evo's man. As someone else said, the hoof of a clearance fell luckily just right for Morison, behind Evo, so from there it was a race for the ball. Unfortunately it was like watching Bolt versus a qualifier, within a few seconds Morison had left his man in his wake.

The only thing Evo could have done, with his complete lack of a turn and any pace was wrestle his man to the ground, although he hardly got near enough to do that. Hird was much further away from Morison when the ball started its lucky trajectory, he was never going to get near him.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

dim view, on 29 August 2016 - 04:17 PM, said:

First goal, he was still adjusting his position. A top goalie would have saved it.
Third goal, he was in the right position to assist if either of the CH's had been doing their job; that is, competing physically with the CF. The CF had so much time and room the GK's position didn't alter the probability of him scoring.

First goal was just rank bad goal keeping, let's not try to dress it up as anything else.

[dtp]

60s 70s Spireite, on 29 August 2016 - 08:09 PM, said:

Regarding the CHs the highlights fail to show the full picture. I was level with the first bounce of the ball. Evatt was marking Morison, He was two to five yards behind him, he was Evo's man. As someone else said, the hoof of a clearance fell luckily just right for Morison, behind Evo, so from there it was a race for the ball. Unfortunately it was like watching Bolt versus a qualifier, within a few seconds Morison had left his man in his wake.

The only thing Evo could have done, with his complete lack of a turn and any pace was wrestle his man to the ground, although he hardly got near enough to do that. Hird was much further away from Morison when the ball started its lucky trajectory, he was never going to get near him.

So, if Evatt was 2 to 5 yards behind Morrison and the ball bounced behind Evatt why didn't Evatt just block his man off ie use a bit of street-wise strong-arm stuff like they did throughout the game. It only became a non-race for the ball because Evatt tried to turn and beat Morrison to it. If Hird was covering Evatt as should be normal in a "two player marking one player" situation, at worst, it should have only been a yellow card - judging by how the ref reacted to Millwall's blocking off of our players he probably wouldn't have even noticed anyway!

[metallilad]

The fact is that after about 8-9 years we still can't seem to find a keeper that can give Tommy a run for his jersey and that includes a keeper that now plays for a championship club. So the question is this.
Are we being over critical of our second string keepers because we are spoilt by having such a good keeper?

[Spire-Power]

I don't recall seein Aaron Chapman play but it does make you wonder if he was any worse

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 29 August 2016 - 08:20 PM, said:

So, if Evatt was 2 to 5 yards behind Morrison and the ball bounced behind Evatt why didn't Evatt just block his man off ie use a bit of street-wise strong-arm stuff like they did throughout the game. It only became a non-race for the ball because Evatt tried to turn and beat Morrison to it. If Hird was covering Evatt as should be normal in a "two player marking one player" situation, at worst, it should have only been a yellow card - judging by how the ref reacted to Millwall's blocking off of our players he probably wouldn't have even noticed anyway!

Why didn't Evatt block his man off? Haven't a clue, but if he keeps playing, he will need to use the tactic more than ever. Been saying for two years, play the ball behind Evo and he is out if the equation.
We have been better this season having a midfield (until the errors in Saturday) stopping the opposition running freely at us, but, unless we play a sweeper behind him we will always be vulnerable to the simple tactic of a ball from the back to the top.
Can we get Anderson on a season loan?

[Spire-Power]

We didn't too badly when he was out last season. Sam Hird made sure of that

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 29 August 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

We didn't too badly when he was out last season. Sam Hird made sure of that

Some of our defensive displays last season were the most shambolic I've seen in 50 years. Players running back onto the goal line instead of marking their man. Players dozing while our opponents took quick free kicks and corners. Opponents being allowed to run with the ball the full length of midfield. Weak clearances. Tommy glued to his line. And much more.... Apart from that we didn't do too badly.

This presumably is Morgan's baby and it's too early yet to judge him. I think last Saturday was a very severe test. Perhaps only 1 of our players would have got into their side.

[Exharboroughspireite]

Spire-Power, on 29 August 2016 - 06:52 PM, said:

He was slow to get down for the first goal. He's big which makes that kind of understandable, but the shot was weak and his hand was not strong.

Agreed, my first reaction was that he should have saved it. There also appeared to be a lack of communication between the back 4 and him throughout

[Spire-Power]

Some shambolic defensive displays with Evatt in the team. I don't recall his absence making us worse. Hird was a real trooper.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Spire-Power, on 30 August 2016 - 07:21 AM, said:

Some shambolic defensive displays with Evatt in the team. I don't recall his absence making us worse. Hird was a real trooper.

We missed Evvo chronically last year. He's the only player in the squad who can head a ball and get distance on it. The amount of balls Anderson headed that fell just outside the area putting us under further pressure was ridiculous

[Spire-Power]

You are exaggerating the Anderson headers to epic proportions imo. I don't think we were any worse without Evo, midfield was the problem