[Westbars Spireite]

Wooden Spoon, on 02 August 2022 - 10:42 PM, said:

It’s madness.


The England womens teams have achieved something few international athletes achieve in their life times n a tiny percentage of people, like 0.1 % aren’t happy because 49.9!% re


If your thT upset have a euro football competition for those that “self identify” and fret I’m sure folk will support you

Who's upset?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Mr Mercury, on 02 August 2022 - 10:11 PM, said:

Good old Gary Lineker..posts a harmless tweet about Chloe Kelly’s sports bra…”best bra none” then gets absolutely hounded by the online woke trolls who usually kiss his backside who are now calling him a misogynist and sexist thus forcing him the delete the tweet. Welcome to the world you’re helping create mate, a world where you can’t even make a harmless pun.
Edit..and before anyone asks to me to explain the word “woke” to them I thought the description on another thread earlier was pretty much spot on.

Interesting.

So calling folk "simple minded" is now okay? 'Cos every time such a term has been levelled at those taken in by scammers or, say, thinking the tories have done a terrific job as there're thousands more foodbanks opening on their watch, certain contributors have got their pants into all kindsa permutations.

And saying a word we still - STILL - don't have a clear meaning of (that quote on the main forum was obviously just a spiteful jibe plucked from some sneeringly right wing platform) has religious conotations is equally fine? Despite the wobble-eyed fury over those comparing Brexit to a cult followed by mindless devotees?

And there was me thinking you were amongst those quite rightly celebrating an England win at face value, my friend.

I get how the same Lineker once lionised by crowds populated by National Front members has become a target for, well, at least some of a similar persuasion. Just as I get there're those on the other side of the scales mirroring their hysteria.

However on the day the next prime minister first touted a policy almost instantly disowned by many in her own party, desperately abandoned that policy before dinner time, then blatatantly lied to pretend she'd not said what every assembled journalist had a verbatim record of her saying - imitating her utterly disgraced predecessor on so many levels - I would've thought events surrounding a relatively small time sports presenter should be pretty low on the list of priorities...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 03 August 2022 - 09:58 AM

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 August 2022 - 09:43 AM, said:

Interesting.

So calling folk "simple minded" is now okay? 'Cos every time such a term has been levelled at those taken in by scammers or, say, thinking the tories have done a terrific job as there're thousands more foodbanks opening on their watch, certain contributors have got their pants into all kindsa permutations.

And saying a word we still - STILL - don't have a clear meaning of (that quote on the main forum was obviously just a spiteful jibe plucked from some sneeringly right wing platform) has religious conotations is equally fine? Despite the wobble-eyed fury over those comparing Brexit to a cult followed by mindless devotees?

And there was me thinking you were amongst those quite rightly celebrating an England win at face value, my friend.

I get how the same Lineker once lionised by crowds populated by National Front members has become a target for, well, at least some of a similar persuasion. Just as I get there're those on the other side of the scales mirroring their hysteria.

However on the day the next prime minister first touted a policy almost instantly disowned by many in her own party, desperately abandoned that policy before dinner time, then blatatantly lied to pretend she'd not said what every assembled journalist had a verbatim record of her saying - imitating her utterly disgraced predecessor on so many levels - I would've thought events surrounding a relatively small time sports presenter should be pretty low on the list of priorities...

Of course I’m celebrating it, where on my post does it suggest I’m not!
It was a fantastic occasion one I’ll remember forever. Wherever you got the idea from that I wasn’t I really don’t know !
It’s nothing to do with them winning the cup it’s all about people not being able to say anything nowadays without some people being offended on others behalf.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 03 August 2022 - 12:34 PM

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 August 2022 - 09:43 AM, said:

Interesting.

So calling folk "simple minded" is now okay? 'Cos every time such a term has been levelled at those taken in by scammers or, say, thinking the tories have done a terrific job as there're thousands more foodbanks opening on their watch, certain contributors have got their pants into all kindsa permutations.

And saying a word we still - STILL - don't have a clear meaning of (that quote on the main forum was obviously just a spiteful jibe plucked from some sneeringly right wing platform) has religious conotations is equally fine? Despite the wobble-eyed fury over those comparing Brexit to a cult followed by mindless devotees?

And there was me thinking you were amongst those quite rightly celebrating an England win at face value, my friend.

I get how the same Lineker once lionised by crowds populated by National Front members has become a target for, well, at least some of a similar persuasion. Just as I get there're those on the other side of the scales mirroring their hysteria.

However on the day the next prime minister first touted a policy almost instantly disowned by many in her own party, desperately abandoned that policy before dinner time, then blatatantly lied to pretend she'd not said what every assembled journalist had a verbatim record of her saying - imitating her utterly disgraced predecessor on so many levels - I would've thought events surrounding a relatively small time sports presenter should be pretty low on the list of priorities...

Do you think the comment “best bra none” was sexist and wrong, or do you think the rest of the sane majority of this country that it was a harmless pun celebrating Chloe Kelly taking her shirt off in jubilation?

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 August 2022 - 09:43 AM, said:

Interesting.

So calling folk "simple minded" is now okay? 'Cos every time such a term has been levelled at those taken in by scammers or, say, thinking the tories have done a terrific job as there're thousands more foodbanks opening on their watch, certain contributors have got their pants into all kindsa permutations.

And saying a word we still - STILL - don't have a clear meaning of (that quote on the main forum was obviously just a spiteful jibe plucked from some sneeringly right wing platform) has religious conotations is equally fine? Despite the wobble-eyed fury over those comparing Brexit to a cult followed by mindless devotees?

And there was me thinking you were amongst those quite rightly celebrating an England win at face value, my friend.

I get how the same Lineker once lionised by crowds populated by National Front members has become a target for, well, at least some of a similar persuasion. Just as I get there're those on the other side of the scales mirroring their hysteria.

However on the day the next prime minister first touted a policy almost instantly disowned by many in her own party, desperately abandoned that policy before dinner time, then blatatantly lied to pretend she'd not said what every assembled journalist had a verbatim record of her saying - imitating her utterly disgraced predecessor on so many levels - I would've thought events surrounding a relatively small time sports presenter should be pretty low on the list of priorities...

Calling people “simple minded”, in the right context, mate, they’re throw away phrases, terms of speech that we’ve all used for ever and a day to colleagues, friends, family etc in everyday life and took them with the good humour or given a bit back, rather like your “Knickers in a twist” oft used quote. It’s part of the English language, it’s our ability to poke fun at others and ourselves and let people poke fun at us. To make use of words in a lighthearted fun way. You’re a bit of a wordsmith yourself so I’m surprised you can’t see the bigger picture of it all with regards to saying things in a light hearted way.
And although I certainly don’t l follow Linekers thoughts why on earth did he have to remove the “best bra none” quote, can’t someone like him with his views actually say anything like that now.
It was a powerful statement by Chloe Kelly that said more than a million words could for womens rights, maybe that’s why those deciding to decry the Linekers comments are concerned by them?

[dart in the crossbar]

Mr Mercury, on 03 August 2022 - 12:47 PM, said:

Do you think the comment “best bra none” was sexist and wrong, or do you think the rest of the sane majority of this country that it was a harmless pun celebrating Chloe Kelly taking her shirt off in jubilation?

It was a bit 11 year olds sniggering at page 3 of the Sun in the corner shop.

It has the flavour of something that Lineacre thought was really rather clever.

A non-story other than a bit of learning for Lineacre that he needs to stick to whatever it is he reckons to be good at; and humour ain't it.

[Misnomer]

Quaker, on 03 August 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

And this, ladies and gents, is how to twist a discussion about Gary Lineker posting a tweet about ladies football into an anti Tory debate.

Seamless. (Well not really)

He just can't help himself. You need to have a word with him, Mods.

It really is a pathetic post.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Quaker, on 03 August 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

And this, ladies and gents, is how to twist a discussion about Gary Lineker posting a tweet about ladies football into an anti Tory debate.

Seamless. (Well not really)

He just can't help himself. You need to have a word with him, Mods.

Seriously, Mark?

The bloke who complains about a lack of tolerance and opinions being forced down throats now wants me silenced by the Mod's?

And are you really so naive not to see the line of logic employed?

I'll walk you through it.

Our friend 'Mr M' 'twisted' an episode involving that long term target of those of a Brexit persuasion, Gary Lineker, into an attack on him for being somehow 'woak'. A term we're still to be offered an intelligent meaning of, something I sought to explore with the poster quoting a recent reference as in his view valid.

Infact admitted his contribution was about 'not being able to say what you want' rather than women's football in a subsequent offering.

I then pointed out that such an exchange faded into all but irrelevence compared to the odds-on favourite to be the next PM aping the behaviour of her predecessor, behaviour you yourself have often condemned.

All on a thread discussing a variety of political issues of this nature.

So please Mark, I know you 'can't help yourself' doing this kinda stuff - usually before vanishing without reply, let alone apology - but at least have the decency to address the points made instead of 'cancelling' the person making them...

Oh, and PS: define irony: you offered not a single comment either way on the Lineker thing you accused me of ignoring...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 03 August 2022 - 07:09 PM

[Goku]

Misnomer, on 03 August 2022 - 07:01 PM, said:

It really is a pathetic post.

Not as pathetic as asking the mods to do something

[Misnomer]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 August 2022 - 09:43 AM, said:

Interesting.

So calling folk "simple minded" is now okay? 'Cos every time such a term has been levelled at those taken in by scammers or, say, thinking the tories have done a terrific job as there're thousands more foodbanks opening on their watch, certain contributors have got their pants into all kindsa permutations.

And saying a word we still - STILL - don't have a clear meaning of (that quote on the main forum was obviously just a spiteful jibe plucked from some sneeringly right wing platform) has religious conotations is equally fine? Despite the wobble-eyed fury over those comparing Brexit to a cult followed by mindless devotees?

And there was me thinking you were amongst those quite rightly celebrating an England win at face value, my friend.

I get how the same Lineker once lionised by crowds populated by National Front members has become a target for, well, at least some of a similar persuasion. Just as I get there're those on the other side of the scales mirroring their hysteria.

However on the day the next prime minister first touted a policy almost instantly disowned by many in her own party, desperately abandoned that policy before dinner time, then blatatantly lied to pretend she'd not said what every assembled journalist had a verbatim record of her saying - imitating her utterly disgraced predecessor on so many levels - I would've thought events surrounding a relatively small time sports presenter should be pretty low on the list of priorities...

Honestly...here is again; Mr sidestep hypocrite.

How many times have you casually and colloquially referred to me as mental, mentally ill, needing help (mentally), need my head looking at?

[Holmesc1]

Jesus folk have said worse than linekar lately. Its only a joke

[Misnomer]

Goku, on 03 August 2022 - 07:05 PM, said:

Not as pathetic as asking the mods to do something

Tbh, yes. But, have you any idea how many times EOC has gone to the mods over my posts? He got banned and won't even acknowledge it. He's a sly mother....


"Ooooooh, I didn't kill animals; I did the paperwork for their slaughter. Please tell off Misnomer"...now, that's pathetic!

This post has been edited by Misnomer: 03 August 2022 - 07:11 PM

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 August 2022 - 07:02 PM, said:

Seriously, Mark?

The bloke who complains about a lack of tolerance and opinions being forced down throats now wants me silenced by the Mod's?

And are you really so naive not to see the line of logic employed?

I'll walk you through it.

Our friend 'Mr M' 'twisted' an episode involving that long term target of those of a Brexit persuasion, Gary Lineker, into an attack on him for being somehow 'woak'. A term we're still to be offered an intelligent meaning of, something I sought to explore with the poster quoting a recent reference as in his view valid.

Infact admitted his contribution was about 'not being able to say what you want' rather than women's football in a subsequent offering.

I then pointed out that such an exchange faded into all but irrelevence compared to the odds-on favourite to be the next PM aping the behaviour of her predecessor, behaviour you yourself have often condemned.

All on a thread discussing a variety of political issues of this nature.

So please Mark, I know you 'can't help yourself' doing this kinda stuff - usually before vanishing without reply, let alone apology - but at least have the decency to address the points made instead of 'cancelling' the person making them...

Oh, and PS: define irony: you offered not a single comment either way on the Lineker thing you accused me of ignoring...

No I didn’t twist an episode involving Lineker, I was actually sticking up for him for posting what his thoughts were and asking why he felt he had to remove it.
And exactly, it was nothing to do with womens football but the context of free speech, indeed it was you who invoked the actual football by claiming my post seemingly removed my celebration of the success when it did nothing of the sort.
I’m not the one twisting the post mate, you are.
Edit..and of course in the bigger scheme of things it’s small fry compared to the race for the next Pm and the machinations of the candidates, but does that mean we can’t discuss anything other than that or indeed every thread as to be skewered by that anti Tory rhetoric?

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 03 August 2022 - 08:02 PM

[Misnomer]

Mr Mercury, on 03 August 2022 - 07:18 PM, said:

No I didn’t twist an episode involving Lineker, I was actually sticking up for him for posting what his thoughts were and asking why he felt he had to remove it.
And exactly, it was nothing to do with womens football but the context of free speech, indeed it was you who invoked the actual football by claiming my post seemingly removed my celebration of the success when it did nothing of the sort.
I’m not the one twisting the post mate, you are.

He certainly is. I think he needs a break from here. A bit of mental respite 😏

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Misnomer, on 03 August 2022 - 07:23 PM, said:

He certainly is. I think he needs a break from here. A bit of mental respite 😏

Nah, no worries, 'cos this kinda stuff gives me all the therapy I need, pal.

I engage my friends 'Mr M' and 'Quaker' in an adult manner whilst you yet again point playground fingers? Call me names from behind their posts? Desperately try to project your own all too over-exposed issues onto me?

Sorry, but that's hilarious.

Mind you, and returning to the topic brought up, maybe you can tell me if it's 'woak' to also feel some sorta sympathy for someone with so many shortcomings...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 04 August 2022 - 08:41 AM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Quaker, on 04 August 2022 - 08:12 AM, said:

Wow, you really do have a sensitive side afterall...

Seriously? No of course not, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I typed the bit about the mods, we are all allowed a few tongue in cheek comments, you do it yourself many times as I'm sure you will acknowledge. The only thing I will go to the mods for is racial hatred, homophobia or someone posting malicious untruths about me, you know, like me being a supporter of pedophiles. Apart from that people can post what they like.

As for me vanishing without reply, well I will be the first to admit I don't frequent this message board and post as much as yourself and many others, particularly during closed season, I have other things to occupy my mind. Although, if you were completely honest, you would admit that these days, you use it 99% of the time to moan about Tories and try to encourage political debates, you only have to look at your contribution over the last 12 months to see what percentage of your posts are actually about CFC. (No I'm not going to go back 12 months to work it out).

I acknowledge that this is your platform, this is your domain and that you use it push your political beliefs showing very little tolerance towards anyone who has a different view to yourself, those that do disagree or pull you up are then dealt your "lets belittle them and be patronising towards them" card. That's fine by me Chris, I really don't care. I do understand that politics plays a massive part in your life and I don't mean that in a patronising way but if it comes across that way then I apologise. You don't understand and refuse to comprehend that people don't want to read about your political thoughts on every post, I do acknowledge that a hand full of people do, however I certainly dont and I certainly don't feel I am answerable to you or that I have to debate every single political view you have just because I disagree with you.

I pulled you up on that post, as I have done in the past because you yet again, bring your anti Tory vitriol into yet another post. I can't stand the Tories, they have crushed this country and just about brought it to its knees, thats it, thats all I have to say about them. What they have done is there for all to see. Yet you continue, at every opportunity, on virtually every thread to remind us all. Just give it a rest mate. I honestly don't understand what your aim is, what you hope to achieve by it. Is you goal to turn everyone into a red flag waving Labour supporter?

As for Lineker, I didn't see the tweet, never heard him say owt so what should I say?

My point was (and still is) you try to twist as many posts as you can into a political debate and when you do, I will continue to pull you up on it. Now I am sure you will advise me that if I don't like it I should butt out, I would throw that right back atcha, I have as much right to post on here as you do and I really don't have to justify anything I post to you or anyone else and vice versa.

You will ignore this and continue doing what you do and that's fine by me but dont expect me sit back. Your really are not The Earl of Chesterfield, Chris. (Or is that username tongue in cheek?)

Have a good weekend Matey.

A long post which deserves a considered answer, Mark. As do those of our friend 'Mr M'.

Will do so later, but in the meantime I hope we all have a good weekend!

[Misnomer]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 04 August 2022 - 08:36 AM, said:

Nah, no worries, 'cos this kinda stuff gives me all the therapy I need, pal.

I engage my friends 'Mr M' and 'Quaker' in an adult manner whilst you yet again point playground fingers? Call me names from behind their posts? Desperately try to project your own all too over-exposed issues onto me?

Sorry, but that's hilarious.

Mind you, and returning to the topic brought up, maybe you can tell me if it's 'woak' to also feel some sorta sympathy for someone with so many shortcomings...

Yeah, that's great 😴😴😴😴


It's WOKE not woak. Just like in fact, is two words, not one.

Here....bored stupid of you going on about this; especially, when the definition has been around for so long and you are fully aware of how it's used by both sides of the argument.

Woke was officially added into the Oxford English Dictionary as an adjective in June 2017.

The dictionary defines it as “originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice”.

The Urban Dictionary, which published its original definition two years prior to the official dictionary, defines it as “being woke means being aware… knowing what’s going on in the community (related to racism and social injustice)”.

In other words, it means to be awake to sensitive social issues, such as racism.

However, the term is also used as sarcastically, to mock or infantilise supporters (so-called, because most of them are virtue signallers) of those movements.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Quaker, on 04 August 2022 - 08:12 AM, said:

Wow, you really do have a sensitive side afterall...

Seriously? No of course not, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I typed the bit about the mods, we are all allowed a few tongue in cheek comments, you do it yourself many times as I'm sure you will acknowledge. The only thing I will go to the mods for is racial hatred, homophobia or someone posting malicious untruths about me, you know, like me being a supporter of pedophiles. Apart from that people can post what they like.

As for me vanishing without reply, well I will be the first to admit I don't frequent this message board and post as much as yourself and many others, particularly during closed season, I have other things to occupy my mind. Although, if you were completely honest, you would admit that these days, you use it 99% of the time to moan about Tories and try to encourage political debates, you only have to look at your contribution over the last 12 months to see what percentage of your posts are actually about CFC. (No I'm not going to go back 12 months to work it out).

I acknowledge that this is your platform, this is your domain and that you use it push your political beliefs showing very little tolerance towards anyone who has a different view to yourself, those that do disagree or pull you up are then dealt your "lets belittle them and be patronising towards them" card. That's fine by me Chris, I really don't care. I do understand that politics plays a massive part in your life and I don't mean that in a patronising way but if it comes across that way then I apologise. You don't understand and refuse to comprehend that people don't want to read about your political thoughts on every post, I do acknowledge that a hand full of people do, however I certainly dont and I certainly don't feel I am answerable to you or that I have to debate every single political view you have just because I disagree with you.

I pulled you up on that post, as I have done in the past because you yet again, bring your anti Tory vitriol into yet another post. I can't stand the Tories, they have crushed this country and just about brought it to its knees, thats it, thats all I have to say about them. What they have done is there for all to see. Yet you continue, at every opportunity, on virtually every thread to remind us all. Just give it a rest mate. I honestly don't understand what your aim is, what you hope to achieve by it. Is you goal to turn everyone into a red flag waving Labour supporter?

As for Lineker, I didn't see the tweet, never heard him say owt so what should I say?

My point was (and still is) you try to twist as many posts as you can into a political debate and when you do, I will continue to pull you up on it. Now I am sure you will advise me that if I don't like it I should butt out, I would throw that right back atcha, I have as much right to post on here as you do and I really don't have to justify anything I post to you or anyone else and vice versa.

You will ignore this and continue doing what you do and that's fine by me but dont expect me sit back. Your really are not The Earl of Chesterfield, Chris. (Or is that username tongue in cheek?)

Have a good weekend Matey.

Ayup again Mark.

Okay, re-read your post you're being your usual fair minded self. Apologies for overreacting to the mod's stuff and getting personal (by the way, we're as one regarding reporting folk. I've a thick skin, not to mention a 'live by the sword' kinda attitude, but when there's obvious trolling - and I think posting smears and lies whilst refusing numerous offers to discuss differences in private is pretty much the dictionary definition - what other choice do we have?).

You wanna continue accusing me of forcing opinions on others? No problem, pal. However I'll continue reminding you this is a grown up forum where grown ups debate grown up issues in a grown up manner (well, most of the time, anyway). Besides, me and 'Mr M' are old jousting partners. Jousting all done whilst being friends off the forum, too.

And hey, we all have issues we're passionate about, don't we. I mean, how many times have you trashed CBC over the Tapton House thing, for example?

Lineker's 'tweet'? No idea what was said. Heard nowt on any mainstream platforms, infact. I'm guessing it's just another occasion the usual suspects have sought to peddle anti-woak hysteria and/or vilify a bloke who's merely expressed progressive views. Which I did reference in the reply which's got certain pants into permutations, of course.

Anyway, I look forward to many more exchanges knowing we'll shake hands regardless whenever we meet. Now, a few paragraphs about those tories...